when would this be better

[RoyceDa59]

Probably better off just going heavy and increasing your muscle mass as a result, which will in turn burn more fat. Or you could lift high rep sets, burn a little more calories, not grow, and as a result not burn more fat than you would otherwise.

[Joementum]

I have to agree with RoyceDa59.

I would say you'd probably burn more fat lifting heavy & incorporating some cardio into the mix instead.

[BiggerGuns=LongerDrives]

Originally Posted by RoyceDa59

Probably better off just going heavy and increasing your muscle mass as a result, which will in turn burn more fat. Or you could lift high rep sets, burn a little more calories, not grow, and as a result not burn more fat than you would otherwise.

So let me make sure I understand you: So you are saying to go heavy all the time???

To add to the topic, If fat loss was goal, diet and cardio would be the prime methods I'd suggest in all cases, but a workout done with higher reps here and there can also assist in this. An example can be 20 repper squats, there is no other lifts that burn more cals than high rep squats.

* IN fact, about the best advice one could get to help burn more fat through his/her weight lifting, WOULD BE FOR ONE TO DO MORE LEG DAYS..Perhaps increase to twice per week.
Squats kill you and deplete you for a good reason!!!!

[Merk0135]

Word, I did legs today and I still don't feel normal....and that's after my steak and potato.

[maddbomber]

Originally Posted by RoyceDa59

Probably better off just going heavy and increasing your muscle mass as a result, which will in turn burn more fat. Or you could lift high rep sets, burn a little more calories, not grow, and as a result not burn more fat than you would otherwise.

long term-yes....which is probably the better goal.....

[tribal]

Sorry to go off topic again... but I've built my traps exclusively on shrugs and deadlifts, so I would not say shrugs are not a good exercise. I just finished doing a few sets of behind the back barbell shrugs about 30 minutes ago, and let me tell you, it feels great.

I've never tried face pulls, but I have the equipment to do so, so maybe I will give them a try some time soon.

[maddbomber]

Originally Posted by tribal

Sorry to go off topic again... but I've built my traps exclusively on shrugs and deadlifts, so I would not say shrugs are not a good exercise. I just finished doing a few sets of behind the back barbell shrugs about 30 minutes ago, and let me tell you, it feels great.

I've never tried face pulls, but I have the equipment to do so, so maybe I will give them a try some time soon.

i agree, you can def. feel it when you do shrugs....i do upright rows and i can feel it really well too.........two exercises everyone bashes

[BiggerGuns=LongerDrives]

Originally Posted by maddbomber

i agree, you can def. feel it when you do shrugs....i do upright rows and i can feel it really well too.........two exercises everyone bashes

Upright rows are rotator cuff destroyers...

The problem with upright rows is that path the arms travel causes joint impingement and every time you raise up, your shoulders bones pinch the tendons in your rotator cuff, AND THIS HAPPENS WITH EVERY REP!!!
Some people will get hurt or feel the problems instantly or in a relative short time, others get away with it longer, but steady use of the exercise will most likely lead to shoulder problems/degeneration....


Now shrugs is a different story, I have seen idiots rolling their shoulders, that definitely will cause rotator problems too, but a straight up and down shrug is a different path of motion. I wont get into the debate on shugs, I use them when I dont deadlift (as well as face pulls and other stuff) and have never attributed any shoulder or r/c problems with the exercise

[narcsarge]

Originally Posted by RoyceDa59

High reps for fat buring? lol

Dayum! And I thought all those trainers w/ the soccer moms knew what the heck they were doing. 15 rep lunges, step ups, bench press, delt raises, squats, etc. Of course if done in a circuit it becomes more cardio intensive!

[maddbomber]

Originally Posted by BiggerGuns=LongerDrives

Upright rows are rotator cuff destroyers...

The problem with upright rows is that path the arms travel causes joint impingement and every time you raise up, your shoulders bones pinch the tendons in your rotator cuff, AND THIS HAPPENS WITH EVERY REP!!!
Some people will get hurt or feel the problems instantly or in a relative short time, others get away with it longer, but steady use of the exercise will most likely lead to shoulder problems/degeneration....


Now shrugs is a different story, I have seen idiots rolling their shoulders, that definitely will cause rotator problems too, but a straight up and down shrug is a different path of motion. I wont get into the debate on shugs, I use them when I dont deadlift (as well as face pulls and other stuff) and have never attributed any shoulder or r/c problems with the exercise

thanks for that post........i have been doing upright rows for a long time and i think you just convinced me to stop.........

[BiggerGuns=LongerDrives]

Originally Posted by maddbomber

thanks for that post........i have been doing upright rows for a long time and i think you just convinced me to stop.........

Good job, there are better alternatives

[Merk0135]

I can't remember the last time I did upright rows or shrugs.

[BiggerGuns=LongerDrives]

Originally Posted by Merk0135

I can't remember the last time I did upright rows or shrugs.

Thats because you are getting old buddy

[edit] Here, think fast, WHERE'S YOUR CAR KEYS?

[tribal]

Upright rows are something I never do...

[RoyceDa59]

Originally Posted by BiggerGuns=LongerDrives

So let me make sure I understand you: So you are saying to go heavy all the time???

To add to the topic, If fat loss was goal, diet and cardio would be the prime methods I'd suggest in all cases, but a workout done with higher reps here and there can also assist in this. An example can be 20 repper squats, there is no other lifts that burn more cals than high rep squats.

I go heavy until it's time to de-load...

I dont think advocating a high rep scheme for someone that wants to lose bodyweight is all that logical. 20 rep squats aren't really done to lose weight...
By all means, high rep work has a place, especially when you want to de-load, or for training centred around endurance (I suppose), but really not for losing weight. As you say, diet and cardio will take care of that.