First Steroid Cycle Help

[vitale87]

Ok so i posted here along time ago when i was 17 asking about steroids got laughed at told i was stupid told i shouldnt do it etc.

I got the point and dropped the idea and just trained natural and ate as much as i could im now 21 and turning 22 in few months november to be exact.

I would like some advice on a good cycle to get me some gains and i would like to do it right i have alot of friends that just inject deca by it self or inject sus 250 with no pct or anything

I dont know **** about steroids absolutely nothing so i would like help in deciding the best way to plan a proper cycle i currently weigh 72kg i have been going gym on and off for over 4 yrs


any help would be greatly appreciated if any information is needed just let me know thanks guys

[JayFive]

Originally Posted by vitale87

Ok so i posted here along time ago when i was 17 asking about steroids got laughed at told i was stupid told i shouldnt do it etc.

I got the point and dropped the idea and just trained natural and ate as much as i could im now 21 and turning 22 in few months november to be exact.

I would like some advice on a good cycle to get me some gains and i would like to do it right i have alot of friends that just inject deca by it self or inject sus 250 with no pct or anything

I dont know **** about steroids absolutely nothing so i would like help in deciding the best way to plan a proper cycle i currently weigh 72kg i have been going gym on and off for over 4 yrs


any help would be greatly appreciated if any information is needed just let me know thanks guys

A) 4 years is okay but you say you've been going "on and off". What does that mean?
B) How tall are you? I've been working out for less than a year and I'm 88kg. Without height and bf% that weight doesn't really mean anything.
C) You should really do your research before doing anything at all. Read up. I'm sure someone can spoon feed you a cycle but how will you know what to do if A happens or B isn't happening or if C D or E are bad signs or good signs? Do your research before doing anything, this doesn't just apply to a cycle but to everything you do in training. I wouldn't come onto a random body building website and just take some random guys advice about a workout plan so I wouldn't recommend doing the same with a cycle (though most of the guys here are knowledgable)

[Meta]

yeah, I'd be curious to know about height and BF% and also what was your weight, height, and BF% 4 years ago

because 72kg (158 lbs. I had to check) isn't that big unless you're pretty short... so I'm just curious how much work you actually did within 4 years... or maybe you were just really really skinny when you started

like jayfive said, what do you mean by "off and on"

what's you're diet and routine look like? because if you don't have those down you shouldn't be messing with steroids

[lee thompson]

what's you're diet and routine look like? because if you don't have those down you shouldn't be messing with steroids[/quote]

Exactly.

[vitale87]

I was incredibly skinny back at 17 i weighed like 50 - 52kg my workout routine i usually train as much as i can without going over 1 hr mark i was told doing splits at younger age wasnt good because our muscles didnt need that much work and that training everything would good way to start off for gym


my height is 168 cm so pretty average i guess and ye current weight 72kg its pretty heavy for me considering i was a skinny **** bak in the day i think my physical strength is ready also back at 19 i was benching 100 - 110kg i dunno if that means anything here probally not but maybe that will give indication of how good or how **** my muscles are

if any more information is needed let me no sorry if this is stupid question or ive been doing it all wrong but im here to learn and get advice and do things right

[vitale87]

when i say on and off i mean in the 4 years i trained 5 dayz a week sat sun off only time i stopped was

1. when i broke my leg didnt gym 4 months

2. i got gladula fever or sum**** and that ****ed me lost all my weight and size and had to start back fresh i stopped gym then for 5 months till i was fully over it

3.i snapped my ACL cruciate ligment in my knee and had to have operation to fix it i was out for bout 4 months before i went back into gym

4.I had problems irl gf and stuff stopped bout 4 months ****ed the ***** off quit my job and wanna train like a animal to be the beast!

[vassille]

Originally Posted by vitale87

Ok so i posted here along time ago when i was 17 asking about steroids got laughed at told i was stupid told i shouldnt do it etc.

I got the point and dropped the idea and just trained natural and ate as much as i could im now 21 and turning 22 in few months november to be exact.

I would like some advice on a good cycle to get me some gains and i would like to do it right i have alot of friends that just inject deca by it self or inject sus 250 with no pct or anything

I dont know **** about steroids absolutely nothing so i would like help in deciding the best way to plan a proper cycle i currently weigh 72kg i have been going gym on and off for over 4 yrs


any help would be greatly appreciated if any information is needed just let me know thanks guys

Hey man, how are you?
what are you goals first of all...

[vitale87]

1) Age - 21 3months till 22

2) Height - 168 cm, weight 72kg , bodyfat % havent checked yet will do

3) Weightlifting experience - 4 years on and off stated above also bike rides and other physical activity running on beach 6 in morning sumtimes etc

4) Goals - To be strong fit and healthy and to look good toned not to big willing to do what ever it takes sacrifice everything but need good proper advice on a cycle and what would work best for me and my body

5) Diet - cut all junk food soft drinks etc i try to eat at least 4 meals a day i havent got a amazing appetite but i eat till that last bite where u literally cant get no more down without spewin lol

6) Previous PH or steroid history - none first time which is why im asking the more mature and experienced bodybuilders

[vitale87]

I just did the measurements online with a test i got these results

You have 11% body fat.

You have 7.9 Kilograms of fat and 64.1 Kilograms of lean (muscle, bone, body water).


the test says if your body fat is 11% on the test it could be between 9% - 13%


also said that average for body fat

Men Women
Fattest Covert has tested 55% 68%
Average American 22% 32%
Healthy normal*:
African-American 12% 19%
Asian 18% 25%
Caucasian 15% 22%
Top Athletes 3-12% 10-18%
Leanest Covert has tested 1% 6%

Hope this helps any more information please ask

[vitale87]

bump

[Joementum]

In my opinion, you still have a huge amount of natural potential to attain before you think about anabolics.

You may have a fast metabolism but at 72kg you are obviously not doing everything correctly.

It's not a good idea to only decide to clean up your act when you start juicing. You should have your routine, diet & rest schedule down to a fine art and have had stuck to it for many years, getting good results before contemplating steroids.

5-6 meals a day minimum is required - 4 meals won't cut it on a cycle.

You have a good way to go before contemplating anabolics - I was a skinny kid too, about the same weight as you but taller. It's a huge diet and heavy training that works. Wait until you're at least 100kg with a low body fat and then start considering it.

[Sean]

I agree with Joe, work with what is naturally in your body at this point. A cycle is a big shock to the system and no matter what your PCT is like, there is a chance of altering your natural body chemistry forever. At 21 you are still peaking...take advantage of it.

[vassille]

Originally Posted by vitale87

1) Age - 21 3months till 22

2) Height - 168 cm, weight 72kg , bodyfat % havent checked yet will do

3) Weightlifting experience - 4 years on and off stated above also bike rides and other physical activity running on beach 6 in morning sumtimes etc

4) Goals - To be strong fit and healthy and to look good toned not to big willing to do what ever it takes sacrifice everything but need good proper advice on a cycle and what would work best for me and my body

5) Diet - cut all junk food soft drinks etc i try to eat at least 4 meals a day i havent got a amazing appetite but i eat till that last bite where u literally cant get no more down without spewin lol

6) Previous PH or steroid history - none first time which is why im asking the more mature and experienced bodybuilders

If you just looking to be fit and toned that doesnt require altering your body that much man, normally you use steroids if you want to bulk passed you genetic limit.
For example when I started anabolics I was 220 naturally at my max weight then with anabolics I put on another 40lbs. If you just want to lose some body fat and gain 5-10lbs of muscle no need for anabolics and risk lowering your natural testosterone for ever. If you are willing to accept consequence then I'll be more than happy to tell you more

[vitale87]

Originally Posted by vassille

If you just looking to be fit and toned that doesnt require altering your body that much man, normally you use steroids if you want to bulk passed you genetic limit.
For example when I started anabolics I was 220 naturally at my max weight then with anabolics I put on another 40lbs. If you just want to lose some body fat and gain 5-10lbs of muscle no need for anabolics and risk lowering your natural testosterone for ever. If you are willing to accept consequence then I'll be more than happy to tell you more

I am prepared but i dont just want to tone i want to actually grow i plan to use human growth as well because my body frame is small the way i see it is i can work out for 10 years to get bit bigger but my body frame restricts me and also in 10 years it wont really matter to me ill be settled down with a wife and kids and those things i really doubt will matter.

I want to grow now and put size on i want to actually be a nice size not the size of a 17 yr old kid all my life if u feel what im saying i beleive that a good cycle along with human growth can help me acheive what i would really like in life i have a appointment with my doctor 6 days time to ask him if he can advise me on the use of some of these things but im not sure if he will give me the right advice on dosages etc

What i need is a list of the the stuff i need to obtain how much of it i need and what dosages i should be using for how long a period to reach a goal and do it properly i understand what you guys are saying but ive thought about this for over 3 years and with no disrespect i would like to do it even after being advised not to

If your prepared to help me on the things i need then it would mean the world to me if your not prepared to help me out i understand and thank you for the time reading and the replying all of you have done

Thanks

[vitale87]

bumpping post for reply thnx

[pullup master]

why would you want to get big beyond your genetic potential, which is all anabolics do?
Reach your genetic potential first, then consider anabolics.
I don't think you have reach your genetic potential.
If it is just vanity then you have to reassess more aspects of your life than this forum normally discusses. Talk to a therapist that specializes in body image issues. Seriously. Before you start steroids.

[vassille]

Originally Posted by vitale87

I am prepared but i dont just want to tone i want to actually grow i plan to use human growth as well because my body frame is small the way i see it is i can work out for 10 years to get bit bigger but my body frame restricts me and also in 10 years it wont really matter to me ill be settled down with a wife and kids and those things i really doubt will matter.

I want to grow now and put size on i want to actually be a nice size not the size of a 17 yr old kid all my life if u feel what im saying i beleive that a good cycle along with human growth can help me acheive what i would really like in life i have a appointment with my doctor 6 days time to ask him if he can advise me on the use of some of these things but im not sure if he will give me the right advice on dosages etc

What i need is a list of the the stuff i need to obtain how much of it i need and what dosages i should be using for how long a period to reach a goal and do it properly i understand what you guys are saying but ive thought about this for over 3 years and with no disrespect i would like to do it even after being advised not to

If your prepared to help me on the things i need then it would mean the world to me if your not prepared to help me out i understand and thank you for the time reading and the replying all of you have done

Thanks

Ok Vitale,

I understand that you want to do this but honestly I dont think you are ready for HGH. Bodybuilding is a life style and since you just want to get your feet wet what I would suggest is for you to do a simple cycle of
250mg Cyp a week for 10 weeks. That's it bro
Get that under your belt first. If you want me to draw you a cycle with AAS/HGH/IGF tell me why.....because a such cycle will require your attention from all aspects of life, physical, mental, social and not to mention nutrition and gym. As a matter of fact even a simple 250mg test cycle will require your attention like going to the gym all the time, eating 4-6 meals a day everyday, sleeping enough daily to grow..etc
Peace

[vitale87]

Just visited the doctor to talk about it he said that health wise body is ready for it though he wont prescribe it for me ill have to obtain it he also said he would help monitor my blood pressure and any side effects that may occur which is a good thing to know also asked him about hgh he told me that by time u start shaving your bones are pretty much fully grown and by using hgh it wouldnt really help u grow height wise so is he just telling me that so i dont get it or is he right ?

other thing is Vassille u said "such cycle will require your attention from all aspects of life, physical, mental, social and not to mention nutrition and gym."

My life is gym simple as that physical everything i do is to improve my body , Mental only person in my world is me and my gym , Social i dont want a social life nor a gf i wanna get strong and big , nutrition is a joke u help me plan what i should be eating for my 5 - 6 meals a day i dont care if i cant get it down ill make it go down and as for gym

I dont have a job i dont have to do anything besidez wake up train eat and sleep literally so if u tell me i need to work out 2 times a day well thats what ill god damn do

after reading all this if u still advise to get 250mg Cyp a week for 10 weeks then ill go looking for it tommorow see i only wanted to do 1 cycle get excellent gains of it and never touch the stuff again i dont plan on using this long term or always using it i wanted to do a cycle to get the gains alot faster and to help push my self then 1's i have those gains use a proper PCT when coming off to keep as much as possible then train natural and hard rest of my life

[Taekwondo Guy]

test-enth...250mg/wk...10-12 weeks.

ideally i'd start with 500mg/wk as i'd like to get as much bang from my buck at a low dose thats worthy of the shut down any AAS brings.

your old enough and ugly enough to do stuff regardless of advice given but i hope you will bring a good diet and training plan together for the cycle.

screw HGH/IGF... i have only run 3 cycles and i'm not even thinking of that stuff yet bigger than the guys who dose 1g+ and 8IU a day.
If you train hard and keep a strict diet you dont have to dabble into the medicine cabinet as much

[vitale87]

alright cheers for that taekwondo btw is that u in ur avatar fukn tank cunt haha