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age:24 (25 in june)
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im looking for something that will explain ph's, i have read the stickies on here but as far as i can tell they arent really from a beginner perspective, seems like you need a chemistry degree to understand some of it....are there any beginner "bibles" or books you would recommend.

at the end of the summer i am hoping to run a 4 week cycle of epistane and i would like to understand EXACTLY what i'm doing with my body. this is all new to me, im the first to admit that im a complete noob and probably sound somewhat like a jackass
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The way it was explained to me is when a PS hits your liver, it converts to a steroid.....as in, the steroid isn't a steroid until its converted in your body.

Like kool-aid isn't kool-aid until its mixed in water......as in, its only flavoring in a packet until you put it in water.....ya heard!?

I run a 5 week cycle of epistane, and am doing another one in march (the whole time on = time off thing). I liked it....google epistane, or havoc, or e-stane (all the same compound) and your sure to get your answers. I gained a total of 15.5 pounds, and now almost 2 months later, with working out here and there, still kept 13 of 'em.
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check this out, too.....
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The way it was explained to me is when a PS hits your liver, it converts to a steroid.....as in, the steroid isn't a steroid until its converted in your body.

Like kool-aid isn't kool-aid until its mixed in water......as in, its only flavoring in a packet until you put it in water.....ya heard!?

I run a 5 week cycle of epistane, and am doing another one in march (the whole time on = time off thing). I liked it....google epistane, or havoc, or e-stane (all the same compound) and your sure to get your answers. I gained a total of 15.5 pounds, and now almost 2 months later, with working out here and there, still kept 13 of 'em.
the thing im having trouble finding is a general pct.......what are you running for the pct and are you running anything with the epi....liver longer, hawthorne berry,.....???

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Well almost everyone will recommend a SERM.....it blocks your receptors from estrogen.....just google research chemicals for lab rats.....You also want a testosterone booster, an AI....aromatose inhibitor.....keeps estro in check,......just use the SERM for the first two weeks, then weeks 3 + 4 the t-boost and AI. Actually, otcpct.com has a list of stuff that works if you don't wanna mess with research chemicals, and the link above should have some good info. ALRI's Restore is good for test, AI, and cortisol as well. I liked it, anyways.

I used milk thistle every day, and when I went up to 40 and 50 mg of epi I started Cycle Support by Anabolic Innovations. I also took fish oil, since epistane will dry out your joints a bit.
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