gyno treatment question

[Icanrace]

I take weekly injections for TRT.
A couple weeks ago I had symptoms of gyno flare up. I think I initially got this a year ago from Havoc. Anyway, I went in for lab work per my trt dr's request. I do not have the lab numbers in front of me nor do I know them however he's prescribed me arimidex. He has me dosing .25mg for four days after my weekly injection. Prior to him getting me the arimidex I started taking 40mg of tamoxifen per day. I've been on that for nearly a week.
Tomorrow is my injection day so I'll be starting the arimidex. My question is, should I continue on some tamox in addition to the arimidex or should I just follow his orders for the arimidex only? I have some puffiness and small lumps under each nipple.

Please help!

Thanks in advance

[vassille]

Wow man, what's your hrt dosage?

What I would do is to drop nolva to 20mg ED for another 1-3 weeks and take the arimidex too as per doc's advice and dosage.
Nolva will block the receptor in your nipps from growing any further, and adex will reduce the enzyme that coverts testosterone to estrogen. Take nolva at 20mg ED till you see the lumps go away...my guess 1-3 weeks would be enough.
You might need to lower your HRT dosage if it's 150mg or higher per week....I have a funny feeling you on 200mg test every 2 weeks.....

Once this whole thing is over try taking adex either as the doc told you or take it .25mg 2X a week

Vas

[Icanrace]

Originally Posted by vassille

Wow man, what's your hrt dosage?

What I would do is to drop nolva to 20mg ED for another 1-3 weeks and take the arimidex too as per doc's advice and dosage.
Nolva will block the receptor in your nipps from growing any further, and adex will reduce the enzyme that coverts testosterone to estrogen. Take nolva at 20mg ED till you see the lumps go away...my guess 1-3 weeks would be enough.
You might need to lower your HRT dosage if it's 150mg or higher per week....I have a funny feeling you on 200mg test every 2 weeks.....

Once this whole thing is over try taking adex either as the doc told you or take it .25mg 2X a week

Vas

Thanks for the response. I'm taking 130mg / week.

[vassille]

No prob,
Since you a little sensitive may want to take it to 100mg a week so you dont have to worry about gyno.

[Icanrace]

Originally Posted by vassille

No prob,
Since you a little sensitive may want to take it to 100mg a week so you dont have to worry about gyno.

ya. This all started after a Havoc cycle I did a year ago. I hate that damn compound now for it! Anyway, thanks for your response. I'd really like to have surgery but I need to find a way for my insurance to cover it is the only problem......

[vassille]

That sucks man,
Would it be possible that your progesterone maybe high? If it's a progesterone problem nolva will make it worse....although the adex will help in this case. Some of these pro-hormons were known to increase progesterone.....

As for the surgery....it could be possible to kind of link the HRT to your issue as far as the insurance is concerned.....just a thought

[Icanrace]

Originally Posted by vassille

That sucks man,
Would it be possible that your progesterone maybe high? If it's a progesterone problem nolva will make it worse....although the adex will help in this case. Some of these pro-hormons were known to increase progesterone.....

As for the surgery....it could be possible to kind of link the HRT to your issue as far as the insurance is concerned.....just a thought

it would be possible I guess. I don't have my lab info in front of me nor did he share the results with me over the phone. How would I know if its progesterone related or not? And yes, I agree with you and those compounds. Unfortunately, I found out after it was to late even though I thought I did some decent research. All I know is that from now on I'm going with the real deal in all cases!

Thanks for your time and help bro.....

[vassille]

Glad to be of some help....
progesterone, you really dont know unless you know what compounds are made of....and of course testing for it. I've heard ppl having elevated progesterone levels from some these orals for a long time...months sometimes

Just to be sure I would get on some dostinex .5mg x3 a week....that compound will lower progesterone levels if you happen to have them elevated.
If it's estrogen related you have it covered already with nolva and adex

[lisan]

Originally Posted by Icanrace

I take weekly injections for TRT.
A couple weeks ago I had symptoms of gyno flare up. I think I initially got this a year ago from Havoc. Anyway, I went in for lab work per my trt dr's request. I do not have the lab numbers in front of me nor do I know them however he's prescribed me arimidex. He has me dosing .25mg for four days after my weekly injection. Prior to him getting me the arimidex I started taking 40mg of tamoxifen per day. I've been on that for nearly a week.
Tomorrow is my injection day so I'll be starting the arimidex. My question is, should I continue on some tamox in addition to the arimidex or should I just follow his orders for the arimidex only? I have some puffiness and small lumps under each nipple.

Please help!

Thanks in advance

My friend, how old are you? Gyno is a problem with many, but also a problem with fellows that have never used AS. If you feel this is a big problem, have surgery and have the glands cut!

Peace

[mitchcumstein]

I doubt you got it from havoc. Not only does havoc not aromatize, it acts as a strong anti-estrogen. Thats like saying i got gyno from Nolva.

[Icanrace]

Originally Posted by lisan

My friend, how old are you? Gyno is a problem with many, but also a problem with fellows that have never used AS. If you feel this is a big problem, have surgery and have the glands cut!

Peace

I am 33.

I want the surgery but insurance needs to cover it lol.

[Icanrace]

Originally Posted by mitchcumstein

I doubt you got it from havoc. Not only does havoc not aromatize, it acts as a strong anti-estrogen. Thats like saying i got gyno from Nolva.

I got it from Havoc and there are many other users out there that have had issues that never did prior to Havoc use.

[mitchcumstein]

Its likely caused from estrogen rebound from not doing proper pct. The havoc didnt cause the gyno itself directly like test would by aromatizing, what happened was it lowered your estrogen levels significantly when taking it and then when you stopped your cycle they bounced back too fast. Thats why you taper off your pct slowly, to prevent this.


I dont see the point of taking adex and nolva at the same time either. A more prudent course would be to get on some letro as its been shown to reverse existing gyno. At the same time this will prevent any aromatization from the small dose of test youre on.

[waynaferd]

Originally Posted by Icanrace

ya. This all started after a Havoc cycle I did a year ago. I hate that damn compound now for it!

Wow, I've always read havoc can help fight gyno.......what did you do for PCT?

[vassille]

Originally Posted by mitchcumstein

Its likely caused from estrogen rebound from not doing proper pct. The havoc didnt cause the gyno itself directly like test would by aromatizing, what happened was it lowered your estrogen levels significantly when taking it and then when you stopped your cycle they bounced back too fast. Thats why you taper off your pct slowly, to prevent this.


I dont see the point of taking adex and nolva at the same time either. A more prudent course would be to get on some letro as its been shown to reverse existing gyno. At the same time this will prevent any aromatization from the small dose of test youre on.

Taking adex with nolva will prevent any rebound from the nolva. Nolva does not reduce estrogen in the body it only blocks receptors, adex acts on the enzyme conversion the same as letro. Based on dosages, letro, adex and aromasin accomplish the samething.
If you dont want nolva estrogen rebound take some adex and that will take care of it.
I'm very skeptical about pro-hormons anymore bro.....any gyno flare up I got it was from pro-hormones.
I really don't even know what's in this crap....

As for the letro being used for gyno, you pretty much need to reduce your estrogen to a pulp for it to work. Ppl need to know that this course will create joint pain, lose of libido and anyother sides associates with low estrogen. I don't know if it will decrease or eliminate an existing lump for good but I agree that it is something to pursue before surgery if you willing to bite the bullet

[lisan]

Originally Posted by Icanrace

I take weekly injections for TRT.
A couple weeks ago I had symptoms of gyno flare up. I think I initially got this a year ago from Havoc. Anyway, I went in for lab work per my trt dr's request. I do not have the lab numbers in front of me nor do I know them however he's prescribed me arimidex. He has me dosing .25mg for four days after my weekly injection. Prior to him getting me the arimidex I started taking 40mg of tamoxifen per day. I've been on that for nearly a week.
Tomorrow is my injection day so I'll be starting the arimidex. My question is, should I continue on some tamox in addition to the arimidex or should I just follow his orders for the arimidex only? I have some puffiness and small lumps under each nipple.

Please help!

Thanks in advance

My friend, I agree with vass and mitchcumstein, but its sounds as if you Gyno is on, and to be honest it will always be there, no matter what you take, so ask yourself? what is your goal? to be on the bodybuilding network? or for personal vanity? the only way you will rid Gyno is by removing the glands period! or just deal with it. If you keep up with the use of any Anabolic Androgen. Gyno is the worst of all and will not go away!

FACT

Peace