How many fellows shop Mexico?

[lisan]

Would like to give a heads up on whats going on in Mex land and hear other views. Myself and several others have found out allot of good as bad there. I feel it is in our best interest to pull together as we are all here for health reasons.

Peace.

I will post pics on our newest gold mind, along with the bad to watch out for.

One thing is for sure, to much underground crap on the seen!

[lisan]

I 'm the only 1 that hits the border on regular bases? Granted I'm only a 25 minute walk to the border, and have been shopping Mexico since the 80's, but sad to say that’s all that is really left on the market these days, I will never use an underground lab just for the fact it is underground, you must have regulation on anything you put into you body especially if it is inject able, since operation gear grinder and operation raw deal (very sad as many good fellows took a fall on those) but was needed to some degree as the Mex and underground craze for high dosed gear was being placed on labels "I mean on labels only" it has brought things back to the old days. I see many posts on the underground sites speak of super dosing, and the fact remains the same your body will only use so much and expel what it does not, no different then using vitamins, you never here of Testosterone overdose, the oil and Benzenyl A & B used in it will kill you before the actual testosterone would, there was talk of this early when we spoke of AR receptors, and there ability to flood or not. My point is this, I do not believe it is real unless it sits on a pharmacy shelve, ”what I mean is regulated” the fact remain many good fellows have had that choice of quality stolen from them by there own government

Believe or it not Latin America has more control over its vitamins then the US does, (there was a loop whole when it comes to veterinary medicine in Latin America ) that has since been closed because of operation gear grinder, the US does not control the natural supplement industry and that opens a loop hole for every scumbag profiteer too open there doors at every muscle mag and GNC in the US.

Latin America has the same control on there vitamins as they do human medications, and believe it or it not they are pretty tight, granted you may not need a script any more for gear, but it still has the same quality control as the US “you used to have a script to buy anabolics until 1998 in Mexico, it just cost and extra $15.00" you can still by all the Tafil, Valium, well any controlled narcotic for the same $15.00 charge, the control is still strict, the manufacture still has too show proof of label claim (the vitamin manufacture in the US does not have too show proof of label) and that goes for underground labs, Now if you still believe in Santa and his reindeer, you feel much better about spending money on super test 500 etc. I personal like when a manufacturer must have and outside source checking on him, that goes for vitamins as well.



I will tell everyone that lives in the US that can, or can’t go over to Mexico and buy Mex gear, by telling you what real Veterinary Anabolics are and human grade are}

Tornel Labs, Testosterone, Deca, and EQ, THAT IS IT, NO ORALS

Loffler Labs, Refovit-B Injectable NO ORALS

Intervet, Larabolan 50 mg 50 ml vials

That is it! There is no more Denkal, QV, AP, Aratest, Nova, Austrovet, Apex, Nutrivet, Univet, Eurovet, “I may have misspelled few” I can go on and on it’s a joke “that’s why I told all that is left that is real” I have been in more Mex vet clinics then most Mexicans have been in. I still see many off the wall kitchen brands, or worst yet has zero active chemical, only un-sterile oil in it.
Yes you will seal labels with the REG.SAGARPA this is the legal license for that product, just stamped on label, not a real brain cruncher to think up for the bunker “if it’s on the label it must be so”

The Mexican Government agreed to stop granting new permits and, closed many exciting labs after operation gear grinder, so if anyone tries to tell you different they are full of ****
Another great clue is when the lab has a stallion horse on it or Kangaroo! LOL. No more real Syd group, and the idiot in TJ that was home brewing stallion labs, bragged so much that he was nabbed by the Narco’s, and had to flee the country because they took all his money.

You will not go wrong with the
Sostenon Redi-Jects,
Deca Jects,
Primoteston, Depot,
Testoprim-D,
Stenox Tabs,
Sten Ampules and Redi-jects,
Costa Rica Brands, Deca, EQ, and there Sostenon is the only anabolic you will find with real trenbolone acetate in Mexico,
Polysterone (Venezuelan Brand of sostenon) sells in many Mex Farmacias

No real Primobolon Depot (unless you find raw)

Primo and trenbolon are the 2 most bunked products in the industry due to the high cost, and the highest demand. The anabolics I listed as real will most likely stay on the shelves as many countries are saving lives with these products, and refuse to lower themselves to the US practice of product control, and price terrorism, to its own people, and trying to push such policies throughout the world where many people can’t afford between food or life saving meds.
The only reason any of these medications are illegal is due to the Olympic comities policies, that only effect a very small % of our society, health, feeling good, or vanity should not be a crime.

I wrote this article over one year ago for a group that I am with, and will remain very private as anbolics has been used for both health and vanity reasons. Also the feds have not affected all of us “yet” . You will see a big difference in lose of my mind in this time.

My son died 2 years this August as a teenager, and I have placed my wife in the Hospice house too die, she most likely will die next week due to her disease , I will tell you that anabolics have prolonged her quality of life by 10 years, we have been married 18, she hold 8 NPC titles, when she was to be dead, I personal have 3 out of vanity. I was placed in prison for buying steroids, trying to help both my son and the continued help of my wife. The FEDS took that away.

You people should take more of a stand against the anabolic laws as it really is legal as it moral

As Micky would say I posted this on your guys underground network on the elite fitness site, I see that your forum tries to take a smarter stance with the issue of anabolics .
I wrote this while sitting in Federal Prison (I may have already posted this article. To be honest I am abusing one of the deadliest legal drugs in US Alcohol)

.Please stop the criminalization and hysteria over steroids!!

This so called steroid abuse exists only within the context of a legal system in which therapeutic and physical enhancing drugs have been categorized by their potential to help or harm, often arbitrarily and certainly by other people's beliefs.

The net result of this punishing approach to human behavior that people want to look better than they do has been the criminalization of thousands of otherwise decent people, the destruction of families, and the loss of basic freedoms. Not because of the steroids themselves, or their immediate or long-term health consequences, but because of the results of involvement in the criminal justice system created to capture, prosecute and penalize those whose only real crime was using a substance someone else didn't approve of.

It is very easy to argue that more harm than good has occurred over the past years to individuals because of the use of steroids. Millions of taxpayer dollars have been spent. Lives have been destroyed and careers wasted. Whatever may have been the motivation at the time, this attack on steroids has failed utterly to solve that which it intended: To criminalize the use of steroids in America and other countries.
Instead it has helped create a world of secondary crime, where little if any existed before. It has helped create and spawn a police state to deal with offenders. It brought about many underground laboratories, and open thousands of opportunities for unethical or shady con men to profit from these opportunities that have been created by our own government, It’s corrupted the pursuers and the pursued. And there are far more illegal/underground steroids to be used now than ever before, and more people using them.

I hope you will not misunderstand my point. I am not saying that I’m pro-steroid. Ideally, no one would use or have a need to use any drug of any kind, including alcohol and tobacco. Unfortunately, this is not the case. Sooner or later, we all take something for some perceived ailment or pleasure, self-diagnosed or medically-diagnosed; acute, chronic or potentially fatal. That "something" may be legal or illegal, prescription or over-the-counter, pharmaceutical or herb, used to treat disease, relieve symptoms, alleviate pain, lessen mental duress, or just to look better.
Some “very few” people use steroids to get the athletic edge because they hope to sign that multi million dollar baseball contact, most use just to look and feel better about them selves.
Everyone ultimately is trying to feel and look better than they may otherwise be.

Trying to look better is not immoral, nor should it be illegal. Doing so and hurting others in the process is a different story altogether. Kids doing steroids is also another story.

If the issue of operations raw deal and gear grinder is to shut down steroid labs, we need to ask a real basic question: "Why would anyone want to produce anything commercially?" The answer is very simple “Because there is a profit to be made” However steroids being illegal creates a black market for that item and hence an unnatural and inflated profit that would not otherwise exist.

We have learned to accept alcohol and tobacco, with certain use limitations, despite knowing their terrible risks, thus avoiding the added calamities of illegality. Placing consumption taxes on them helps add to the public coffers.

When an item must be purchased outside of legal markets, these funds are lost to society. Its price will have little to do with its true value, its production cost, or even its availability. The law of supply and demand will still prevail, but in a perverted way. In particular, as long as steroids are illegal anywhere, its price and profitability will flourish, and there will be many who will want to join in.

Let's allow our criminal justice system to put its resources to work on those who truly hurt others and society by their lying, cheating, stealing, maiming and killing. Those are the things we must have protection from. Let's reallocate those funds and energies away from criminality, punishment and incarceration of steroid offenders, and towards education instead.

Save the jails for those who really do harm!

The criminalization of steroids is a bust, as was Prohibition.

It’s time to put pen to paper and wright the very people who make these insane laws against our most basic freedom “the one to choose what we do to our own body” Please feel free to ask any questions I may help you out with!

[lisan]

I never got to my true point about Anabolics, education, and ability to track down real products, I have my pic posted, i am 25 pounds lighter in this pic, yes i am currently doing a cycle, but outside stresses has taken its toll on me physically and mentally. Myself and several others are involved in a monthly news letter (free at this time) we all put our own time and knowledge to help other people who are most likely going to make the choice to use steroids, to have a means of proper education, and legal places to purchase, that the US Feds will never take away from those who need these medications for life saving reasons, yes we know that there is a group that use for vanity reasons, that is not a crime fellows, and that is why I'm on your forum, small but smart! I am going to place a few pics of Mexican Border town Pharmacies, these places have all been inspected and used by many of us personally, and yes you can legally go to these places and buy gear. where the law in the US will be broken is if you decide to take this gear back to the US. A personal amount if you get busted at the border, you will not go to jail, you will be fined the street value of that product. if you deal, well that may be a whole different story. So we are not here to teach you how to smuggle, only that you can legally buy and use these products in Latin America.

The Town of Reynosa, I personally Buy the Costa Rico Brand of gear Alpha-Genics, this pharmacy is owned BY DR. Poblano he owns 2 of the largest Pharmacies in this town, and also is one of the largest Law firm owners in Reynosa and Criminal attorneys there. the Company is based exactly in front of the walk bridge from TX. I will also place pics of the Azteca Pharmacies in Neuvo Progreso, they own 11 in this one st town, only 12 miles drive East of Reynosa, these places are by far the most professional companies we have seen in years. we have lists of companies that due honorable business listed in our news letter. I wanted to post these as they have truly stuck out when it comes to helping out. Please feel free to email, and learn more, we will not teach you how to conduct illegal business in the US, even though we strongly feel this in within your rights as a productive member of society. BTW all these Places carry Costa Rico Brands of Medications, and all others i posted, plus hundreds more.

[lisan]

Reynosa

BTW, please feel free to email for our newsletter alter-health@safe-mail.net. we will do our best to help answer questions may have about Latin America, and its freedom of medication act

[lisan]

Btw, this is a pic of my Wife, at 40 years old, 1 year before I was forced to place her in a nursing home do to a genetic and hereditary disease that killed my son.
It was the use of Anabolics among other Medications only found in Latin America, that gave me 10 more years to be married to one of the most beautiful woman, both inside and out, that the US tried to take away from me because we went outside US Law for these medications, In Latin America they have the freedom of medication act. The US does not have this, and I spent prison time for only trying too save my family, that most likely next week this women will be deed! I will no longer ever be apart of the US, and will make it my life to help others never have to confront what I have! Let me add by saying, my wife and I made the choice to live free from the US after our sons’ death. So I no longer fear the US FEDS as what we do is legal!!!

What I hate to see, is the scum bags that flood the market with medications meant to help, that is garbage and so many do not want to believe this is true. 99% of all gear on the street is now **** due to the US and there laws.

[Eighth Wonder]

wow man your wife is beautiful! Thats a sad story though its a shame that they would force someone to stop using something that is helping them even though it is illegal, if the real goal is saving lives then that shouldn't be a problem.

[lisan]

Originally Posted by Eighth Wonder

wow man your wife is beautiful! Thats a sad story though its a shame that they would force someone to stop using something that is helping them even though it is illegal, if the real goal is saving lives then that shouldn't be a problem.

Brother, thank you , as my wife is gods gift to all of us, I have shut down my man, i wish i could explain better at this time! I promise i will try in a short bit.

God bless ya
AND SORRY

[lisan]

Neuvo Pregraso,

Took my partner up to get his female Shepard spaded at the vet Hospital , they are better then Just a vet clinic, these guys did carry allot of Bunk vet gear though, but did have real!
Did find Human grade products such as Testoprim-D amps, the manufacture no longer produces in the higher cost redi-jects, they have went back to the ampule, this is a very good product and priced good, also seen the Alpha Genics EQ and Sotenon brands as well, very professional place, but one thing i noticed is they really do not have a clue about anabolics, in fact, I have yet to find any place in Mexico that has any real working knowledge about anabolics.
BTW, Bravo Labs still produces the 10,000 iu HCG, they no longer produce any gear, Tornel Labs does and the 2 companies are owned by the same family.
Beware of the Nova brand this vet product has a good presentation but zero active chemical, same with Appex, we found out the real story behind these companies.

Also Testoprim-D will give a bite about 12 hoours after injection it is a 200mg Test enthate w/ 50 mg Test Pop per ml, will take several shots for the body to get use to the bite, but have no worries as this is standard with this type of blend when it has no Benzyl Benzoate in it.

[lisan]

I see over on this Elite fitness forum so much bull s*** when it comes to the issue of Vet anabolics in Mexico.”and much more when it comes to anabolics itself”

I will not even grace my presence on that forum, as I have never seen so much blind and ignorant statements made by people who think because they shop the TJ area of Mexico “Baja Norte” that they can properly answer the many quality questions when it comes to this issue. I will supply some tools to find the answers yourself. “Sure it takes some research, but can easily be down.
That is what I love about this forum, it may be small but many here are trying to ask intelligent and well-thought out questions. I’m not trying to blow smoke up my own ass, but when it comes to the use and the ability to obtain real anabolics, within Mexico, and on the black markets, I’m one of the top authorities in the industry. And that is for several main reasons, First, I have spent over 20 years not only using anbolics in competitions at national levels, but I have spent years learning how these products work from a medical stand point, and how to obtain quality products that still exist through hands on shopping in many Latin American Countries, the fact i personally live in Mexico, and have a home in Costa Rico, and have dedicated my life to spreading my own knowledge and hard work for no monetary purposes. Not in plain site like the elite fitness site would like you to believe, for it’s own greed for money.

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You may make personal contact to find out what Veterinary anabolics truly have a real REG.Sagarpa. Every Veterinary product and Laboratory must have its own unique Government
Registration within

SAGARPA -This Is a Cabinet level department of the Executive Branch of the Mexican Government.

Intranet | Municipio Libre 377, Col. Santa Cruz Atoyac, Delegación Benito Juárez, C.P. 03310, México, D.F. Tel: 38711000 contacto@sagarpa.gob.mx

You will find that Mexico has only a handful of real vet anabolics that are real! Since Operation Gear grinder the issuance of these REG’s have ended. And most of the products I see spoke of never had the proper permits and regulations within the Government in the first place.

Peace hope this helps

[vassille]

I'm not sure what to say bro.....I dont think I ever encountered anybody like you. Sorry about your family misfortunes!

BTW, I've seen ppl copying Sagarpa or whatever those numbers are on home made stuff....

[lisan]

Originally Posted by vassille

I'm not sure what to say bro.....I dont think I ever encountered anybody like you. Sorry about your family misfortunes!

BTW, I've seen ppl copying Sagarpa or whatever those numbers are on home made stuff....

Brother, I due spend more time on forums that people terminally ill frequent looking for help to improve the quality of what life they have left, I enjoy trying to help on your site as there is just to much crap on the markets, and you fellows at least must have a way to help yourselves instead of counting on someone else s advice that may have other motives behind it. and ppl is one of dozens that will place a REG Sagarpa to help make there products appear real and regulated for quality. and not what they really are underground kitchen productions. You can thank the Media and the US LE for open this door to the many scumbags that now flood the markets with there crap products. BTW thanks for your condolences!

Peace

[vassille]

Originally Posted by lisan

Brother, I due spend more time on forums that people terminally ill frequent looking for help to improve the quality of what life they have left, I enjoy trying to help on your site as there is just to much crap on the markets, and you fellows at least must have a way to help yourselves instead of counting on someone else s advice that may have other motives behind it. and ppl is one of dozens that will place a REG Sagarpa to help make there products appear real and regulated for quality. and not what they really are underground kitchen productions. You can thank the Media and the US LE for open this door to the many scumbags that now flood the markets with there crap products. BTW thanks for your condolences!

Peace

You def have a unique point of view for sure.