got a problem with my test prop cycle

[bigprop]

Hi i had a good cycle now i just got put on HRT hormone replacement thearpy1 injection a week of sustanon250 1ml/250mg my cycle was a test prop only cycle now how would i incorparate sustanon 250 1ml a week into my cycle please help

[vassille]

It's all good man,
One choice is to do 250sust+100prop once a week shot
2nd choice is to do 250sust+100prop Sunday and 100mg propThursday

[bigprop]

so what happens if my doc gives me one injection of sustanon 250 a month what can i do then man i wanted to take test prop ed 0.75 for 10-12 weeks can i still do that or not im really confused now

[vassille]

No way you should accept a shot of sust 250 a month.....I'm telling you it is bad, period!
You want to take 100mg EVERY WEEK. I don't care what sust or test you take the most it stays in your system is 10 days....that's it. In 2 weeks is completely out of your system and you will feel miserable.
Get that fixed with your doc before you introduce any other AAS in the mix. If you need help let me know....I can tell you by days what test levels you would have from my experience with HRT

I took for a short time 200mg of cyp every 2 weeks and it was crap. By day 10 I felt like shiet and I cannot imagine you dealing with that another 2 weeks until the next shot

If you start taking sust once a month with the prop ED like you want to do and you gain weight and muscle, you will have a hard time geting your sust changed because your doc will know what you did....trust me they know what's going on, and they know that 250mg of sust a month is weak.

If you want play by their rule first, do that shot and tell me how it goes....it will take a few months for the doc to change your dosages and schedule based on testing

My advise,
get that HRT fixed first where you feel normal again then I can walk you through the other stuff you want to do

[bigprop]

il c what he says to me friday. i think he gave me way to much on my script. he said we will try a 3 month trail and then check my test levels again. but on the script he gave me 3x1ml vials of sustanon 250 and 3 reapets so i went and got all 9 vials but he said only one injection a month. how did u start out with hrt one injection a month or did they keep uping the dosage.

[bigprop]

hi again my dose of sustanon 250 is 1ml/250mg sustanon on friday of every month so how can i incorparate test prop in a cycle with this and i got 6 extra 1ml/250mg sustanon 250 vials to use if it makes it easier. im really stumped now i tried to work dosages out with a body builders calculator to keep my blood levels even but had no luck. so what do u recon i do man il listen to u.

[vassille]

When I started I did 200mg Cyp every 2 weeks and it was bad. I can never get into a groove because my levels were ok for the first 7-10 days then it was low for another 5 or 6 days. Total mess from my point of view.

Now on what you have:
So you have 6 shots of 250mg and you also have prop

Here is one scenario:
If you want to wait and prove to this idiot doctor wrong and that is not going to work then do what he says. 250mg per month is nothing. Your levels will be nothing by the 14th day. If he tests you once a month there will be nothing to test and ALWAYS get tested in the 4th week of the month few days before the next shot.

Another scenario:
You can incorporate test prop for 2 weeks maybe 3 then take a week off before getting tested but it will not be the most efficient way of doing this. Your test levels will be up and down and I doubt you will see any decent gains because you will have a boost in test from the Sust and prop first 2 weeks but for last 2 weeks levels will be in the toilette.

My advice, and I know you want to break that prop bottle ASAP.. is to hold on and follow the path with the doc for a while. If you start gaining wt on 250mg a month (+ your prop) the doc may get suspicious. Let the testing take effect and the doc will have no choice but adjust your timing of the dosage. That's what I did, I was cool for the testing period and when I went on my own with weekly shots I went to town gaining 20 lbs....even the doc was wondering but the test levels which I manipulate nicely do not lie

[bigprop]

ok so i will get a blood test 2 days before my next injection. and which it will be no testosterone to test then he should give me a weekly dose u recon is there any other TRT steroids to take to keep my blood levels good like test.e what about this readern 1000 is that any good cause i can get him to switch it maybe what do u recon ?

[vassille]

That's good timing on the testing 2 days before the next shot. BTW, what was your testosterone levels when you first went to the doctor?

I never took readern 1000. As for the test-e is good as well. I think you will be ok doing 100mg EW. Even with sustanon it should be taken weekly. That's the only way to keep blood level constant!
In my case I insisted that the doc put me on weekly shots because I kept telling him that my test levels were fluctuating affecting my sex life, concentration, being tired and weak. I think you should (in a nice way) tell the doc that sustanon is in your system for only 7-10 days and that after the 7-8th day you feel bad, no sex drive, and if the doctor insists on monthly shots ask why? If he is an arse then say that you like to live normally and that his protocol is not working well for you and would like to try weekly shots at a lower dosage like 100mg. Sooner or later he will give in, and honestly tell him that you want to feel normal and have sex with your gf without wondering if you can get a hard on the 3rd or 4th week.....do not want the up and down of monthly shots or even bi-weekly ones.

Remember, your doctor is working for you to get you to feel 100% normal and that's the reason for the test shots in the first place anyway. Don;t be afraid to make your feelings heard
Let me know how it goes

[bigprop]

my test levels were 7.5 and they should be (11-14) for my age which is 27 il do what u said and let u know what he says ?

[lisan]

Originally Posted by bigprop

my test levels were 7.5 and they should be (11-14) for my age which is 27 il do what u said and let u know what he says ?

Brother I'm surprised that your DR. is only given 1, 250mg inject per month for test therapy, granted Sostenon was developed just for that reason but in the US 99% of all the Docs are giving 200mg per week Testosterone Depot "200mg test Cyp" at a minimum, it is a waste of time to even go to the Dr. office for that. If you are looking to make advanced progress in the Gym through the use of Anabolics 400mg a week is what it will take, otherwise no need to waste your money. there is no magic pill, Even today the 3 B's still stands, Eat Big, Lift big, and rest big. the rest will come.

Peace

BTW, if you have the test Prop, 100 mg EOD will give you some great results if you are putting the effort into it.

[bigprop]

nah mate u got it mixed up i went to the docs to get a blood test before i started my test prop cycle and i have low test already so im trying to sort my trt out first and then do my test prop cycle

[vassille]

If you run into issues with your doc let me know and I will do my best to guide you through the proper way of geting your HRT on track.
My inclination is that since your levels are low but not in the toilette your doc might think less testosterone will do the trick but honestly it does not work like that.....just post the tests and see what the levels show

[mitchcumstein]

Originally Posted by lisan

Brother I'm surprised that your DR. is only given 1, 250mg inject per month for test therapy, granted Sostenon was developed just for that reason but in the US 99% of all the Docs are giving 200mg per week Testosterone Depot "200mg test Cyp" at a minimum, it is a waste of time to even go to the Dr. office for that. If you are looking to make advanced progress in the Gym through the use of Anabolics 400mg a week is what it will take, otherwise no need to waste your money. there is no magic pill, Even today the 3 B's still stands, Eat Big, Lift big, and rest big. the rest will come.

Peace

BTW, if you have the test Prop, 100 mg EOD will give you some great results if you are putting the effort into it.

Most doctors simply dont know any better. If you wanna get HRT done right, you gotta go to a HRT doc.

[bigprop]

ok u know more about this complex stuff then me. il do that and il post my first blood test results and my new blood test results so u can compare and we can go from there man. hope it turns out well for me

[bigprop]

went to my doc and asked for a blood test 2 days before my next shot and he said no because my teast levels would be zero or lower and he wont give me another blood test till i had my last injection and 4 weeks after that so i got to wait 2 months for some thing that is not going to work any way what do i do now man ? wait or just dont go back and do my cycle of test prop and throw the sus 250 (8x1ml/250) vials i have left in with my test prop what do u recommend i can always go get my trt fixed up later just wanted to get your opion first vassille ?

[vassille]

Originally Posted by bigprop

went to my doc and asked for a blood test 2 days before my next shot and he said no because my teast levels would be zero or lower and he wont give me another blood test till i had my last injection and 4 weeks after that so i got to wait 2 months for some thing that is not going to work any way what do i do now man ? wait or just dont go back and do my cycle of test prop and throw the sus 250 (8x1ml/250) vials i have left in with my test prop what do u recommend i can always go get my trt fixed up later just wanted to get your opion first vassille ?

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you B, just got back from vacation and where I went there was no internet...Anyway, I'm not sure I understand this right, you doc knew the test was going to be low and he wants you to do another shot then test you again few days before the next shot after that?
Not sure I understand this.....Why not test now? Do you feel a difference in your libido and in general after the injection?
My question to the doctor would be what exactely does he expect to find after one month next month? Ask him what is the logic behind this course? He needs to explain to you why he does what he does.....
I personally get tested when I want during the week since I'm on weekly shots and I just tell the doc what day I went in relation to my last injection....then he deducts based on the levels found where I stand.

As for the cycle, first off like I said if you do this cycle and gain same weight it would be somewhat hard to go back on HRT. Doctors will look at you being muscular and stuff and have second thoughts....I had to go off any cycles for a year and drop some weight to look normal and go on HRT. I couldn't be all jacked and look for HRT....if you get my point.....
My personal opinion if i were you is to play the game....I know it's a waste of time but if you don;t have other doctors to go to then just suck it up and play the game. If the test is low he needs to adjust something....most likely the timing. Ask the doc cool questions, such as why once a month...give him feedback that you don't feel any better after the 8th day or so and that you feel like crap for 3 weeks straight...etc.
You will have plenty of time to cycle later on, and if you have access to buy more stuff and want to avoid the doc for the forseeable future then just cycle and self administer HRT yourself.

[bigprop]

I got other docters to go 2 so i might do that after my course. So how can i use this sus250 (8x1ml vials left) and test prop in a cycle vassille and would a 40/40/20/20 pct of nolvadex be good enough.

[vassille]

Not sure how much prop you have but here what you can do,

Week 1-8 250mg EW
Week 1-8 100 or 200mg prop EW

I would do Sunday 250mg Sust+ Wed 100mg prop
OR
Sunday 250mg Sust + Tue 100mg prop+ Fri 100mg prop

PCT is fine at 40/40/20/10 use 10mg for the last week

[bigprop]

I might just stick with the test prop 0.75 every day for my first cycle and see how i go got my Pct all sorted il take some before and after pics and mesurements and il post up my training and diet 2 thanks for all your help man appreciate it alot