cutting cycle?

[mcchunter]

ive been cutting the last couple of months after bulking on test e and deca cycle.
my avatar shows me torwards the end of my bulker.

i was 207 now down to 180. def. more ripped but look and feel alot smaller.

im toying with the idea of adding in a cycle of test prop and continue cutting.

my diet is pretty much spot on- taking in 2200-2500 calories a day.

im 5'7" 35 years old 1 cycle under my belt.

my problem is my midsection. ive been stuck at 180 for some time now.

i do walk 3 miles a day first thing in the morning on an empty stomach.

my goal would to gain more muscle and lose the fat.

opions welcome.

[mcchunter]

the reason i want to add in some test is because im losing some muscle also.

my strength is down a little but not much.

my goal for cutting was 175. then i was going to bulk up again.

its been a couple of weeks and im stuck at 180.

[BiggerGuns=LongerDrives]

Originally Posted by mcchunter

the reason i want to add in some test is because im losing some muscle also.

my strength is down a little but not much.

my goal for cutting was 175. then i was going to bulk up again.

its been a couple of weeks and im stuck at 180.

If your losing muscle and not doing major cardio, I'd look to your diet, the culprit is hiding in there and thus perhaps you can avoid the Test all together...?????????

Good luck man, congrats on the fat loss so far

[mcchunter]

its alot more fun with test. lol

my diet is pretty solid now.

wake up: 2 cups of coffee

walk 3 miles

egg beaters,turkey sausage, two pieces of wheat toast(no butter added in anything)

two hours later 8 oz skim milk and either oatmeal or total

two hours later turkey burger with veggies(mix)

2-3 hours later natural peanut butter sandwich or chicken sand on whole wheat and a banana (preworkout meal)

workout

postworkout meal = brown rice,chicken(skinless,boneless) veggies
8 oz glass of cranberry juice

around 7-8pm snack= spoon full of natural peanut butter,chicken,or eggs

that is pretty much every day.

it may be the cardio on an empty stomach? what do you think?

[BiggerGuns=LongerDrives]

Originally Posted by mcchunter

it may be the cardio on an empty stomach? what do you think?

It could be. I'd try to eat a meal before and see what happens. Give it a full 6 weeks and then re-evalutate, might be the culprit right there as 50% of people swear by cardio on an empty stomach and 50% of them say avoid it like the plague!

But I'd increase the protein intake regardless, right about now

[hrpiii]

too many carbs.

[lisan]

Brother i assume the show is coming, I have had the same problem for over half a dozen competitions, you have not spoke of your body fat% your pic is not clear enough, i assume you are at about 10% BF level, all you need to do is train your abs through posing at least 15 minutes daily, there is a trick to bringing your abs out at your build, you are built the same as me and it took me 3 weeks of posing before i learned to bring my abs out at the right movement. Many heavy bodybuilders know what i speak of. I personally feel this is all you need at this point. But i also assume you are prepping to show!
I won the NPC Upper Midwest nationals at 198lbs at 5.9 my BF% 6% and still had to work to show my abs strong

Sorry if from the pic and your question if i'm offbase

Peace and good luck

Let me add Test prop i love, but you must keep at at least 100mg eod, I I'm not sure of the brand "if it is kitchen" then double the label dose, even though T-Prop is cheap most back yard chemist under dose, If you have quality then 100mg EOD it will bang, but you still must learn how to bring your abs up through flexing, you are not a swimmer.

[mcchunter]

hrpii- where would you cut the carbs at? and do you think i should wait to i get down in weight bfore i add the test prop?


lisan- im not even close to where your at.lol im probably at 18-20%bf.mostly in my midsection. i can see my abs when i flex but still have the love handles.
i was at 240# 2 years ago. cut down to 190# ran a cycle went up to 207.
now at 180# but alot more solid.

tommy-maybe some protein before cardio?

[lisan]

Originally Posted by mcchunter

hrpii- where would you cut the carbs at? and do you think i should wait to i get down in weight bfore i add the test prop?


lisan- im not even close to where your at.lol im probably at 18-20%bf.mostly in my midsection. i can see my abs when i flex but still have the love handles.
i was at 240# 2 years ago. cut down to 190# ran a cycle went up to 207.
now at 180# but alot more solid.

tommy-maybe some protein before cardio?

Partner it sounds like you have come a long way and that shows your right on with your training, we all do react differently when it comes to our training, diet, and cycles, for example i have never done and ab work out or cardio in my life, just through squats, deads and training routines my abs came out strong and cut. I think the Test Prop will play a huge role in offsetting any excessive carb intake. Or it could be as simple as switching up on your diet and training routine. I personal switch up every 4 weeks "muscle confusion" also it may be as simple as what hrpiii suggests about dropping carbs down, will take a closer look myself at your diet. Just watch you do not go catabolic and start burning lean muscle for energy. keep yourself anabolic (positive nitrogen balance) this can be hard when cutting carbs to low. but once again Test prop at the right dose does wonders at this stage of the game

Peace and looking tough

[hrpiii]

get the carbs under 100gm a day. Get the protein to about 250gms. At 180 lbs, and as active as you are, probably 2000 cals would be enough to get the ball rolling again. You need to get about 80gms of good fats, this will help offset the low carbs.

If cardio is in the morning, keep it on an empty stomach. Don't eat or do a protein shake till about 45min-1 hr after cardio. You metabolism will still be cranking and you don't want to eat as it will shift the energy from fat to the energy you just consumed.

[mcchunter]

thanks hrpii and lisan

i will cut carbs a little lower. ill cut out some of the bread im eating.

on a good note im 178.6 this morning!!!!

first time under 180 in 13 years.

im going to wait to i get the bf% down a little more then run the prop as a lean bulker in the winter.

what i mean by "lean bulker" is i am going to continue the way i eat but add a little more calories. calories will come from protein.

im not looking for much with the prop. maybe 10 pounds of muscle.

ill run the prop at 100mgs eod.

i do have some dbol and clen on hand.

[hrpiii]

Originally Posted by mcchunter

im not looking for much with the prop. maybe 10 pounds of muscle.

.

you are one funny man with that statement, or you are going to be really disappointed.

[lisan]

Originally Posted by hrpiii

get the carbs under 100gm a day. Get the protein to about 250gms. At 180 lbs, and as active as you are, probably 2000 cals would be enough to get the ball rolling again. You need to get about 80gms of good fats, this will help offset the low carbs.

If cardio is in the morning, keep it on an empty stomach. Don't eat or do a protein shake till about 45min-1 hr after cardio. You metabolism will still be cranking and you don't want to eat as it will shift the energy from fat to the energy you just consumed.

Brother i like the routine, but you sound like your a big fellow and your metabolic rate may be much faster or slower as i do not know your mission. the only down side i see to this is causing the lost of valuable lean muscle while loosing the BF in the belly area. I tend to agree with you but would only try for a 4 week run to see if this works for him personally.

BTW have you or do you compete?

Peace my man

I would like to add about the Clen, personally i feel is is a **** product (good endurance drug) but this product can cause you to go catabolic quickly and will flood your receptors even faster. if you use for a cutter i still believe in the old school method of 4 to 6 (20mcg tabs daily) 2 days on 2 days off breaking the dose up over the day and no later then 3 pm for the last pill. and no more then 4 to 5 weeks on!!! trust me on this, it is a great drug for women.

What are your thought Hrpiii?

[mcchunter]

im not gonna run the clen. just getting suggestions, thats all.

hrpii-i think 10 pounds is possible. why do say no?
and i mean no disrespect . i know you have been around for a while .
just wondering what your expectations would be?

i think may have confused you when i said i was cutting and am looking for 10 pounds of muscle. i would end the cutting and start bulking but eat clean.
any way what are your thoughts?

[joemomma]

Hrp isn't a fan of clen. 10 pounds of muscle would be nice on any cycle I would think. 10 pounds would be easy to get, but 10 pounds of muscle would be tough.

[jlozan84]

Originally Posted by lisan

I would like to add about the Clen, personally i feel is is a **** product (good endurance drug)

Wait, what? Clen KILLS your cardio endurance bro. Clenbuterol is notorious for this and having run it myself I know this is the case. Its beyond ridiculous how quickly I was winded when on clen. Maybe you are thinking of Albuterol which helps with cardio capacity.

[lisan]

Originally Posted by jlozan84

Wait, what? Clen KILLS your cardio endurance bro. Clenbuterol is notorious for this and having run it myself I know this is the case. Its beyond ridiculous how quickly I was winded when on clen. Maybe you are thinking of Albuterol which helps with cardio capacity.

My man this is why Clen was first banned in the Olympics, it is basically the oral version of Albuterol, clen is a beta drug it is meant to open the lungs. it just so happens it raises the body core temperature and this is why it has become so big in cutting cycles. I personally feel the way you do about the product, i have had nothing but negative results including my endurance, I think it boils down to how, when, and what it is combined with that endurance increases, just for the basic fact that it opens the the lungs for better oxygen uptake.
My man clenbuterol(spiropent) is used to treat asthma, but was first developed for the use in horses. and it was soon discovered that it had weight lose effects.

Peace brother

[vassille]

If you want to gain 10 lbs of muscle you need to be on more than 100mg prop EOD

[vassille]

Originally Posted by lisan

Brother i like the routine, but you sound like your a big fellow and your metabolic rate may be much faster or slower as i do not know your mission. the only down side i see to this is causing the lost of valuable lean muscle while loosing the BF in the belly area. I tend to agree with you but would only try for a 4 week run to see if this works for him personally.

BTW have you or do you compete?

Peace my man

I would like to add about the Clen, personally i feel is is a **** product (good endurance drug) but this product can cause you to go catabolic quickly and will flood your receptors even faster. if you use for a cutter i still believe in the old school method of 4 to 6 (20mcg tabs daily) 2 days on 2 days off breaking the dose up over the day and no later then 3 pm for the last pill. and no more then 4 to 5 weeks on!!! trust me on this, it is a great drug for women.

What are your thought Hrpiii?

Not fan of clen either but if you do it use some anabolics to spare muscle.
My friend competed in a show and after the show he started on IGF now he is more cut than during the show. It's sick to to see his veins. Too bad he took it after and the clen did not do much for him either or maybe it did but not what he was loking for anyway

[lisan]

Originally Posted by vassille

Not fan of clen either but if you do it use some anabolics to spare muscle.
My friend competed in a show and after the show he started on IGF now he is more cut than during the show. It's sick to to see his veins. Too bad he took it after and the clen did not do much for him either or maybe it did but not what he was loking for anyway

Vassille you hit in on the head with out finishing up, when it comes to bodybuilding you work so hard for that one day, I learned this the hard way with Carb loading, sodium loading, and all failed for me. do a dry run prior to the show about 2 to 3 weeks out, this way if it fails you have time to get back on track.
it all boils down what works for one fellow will not work for you. there is so many pre-contest theories and the hardest part is trying to find what works for you. Time will fix that and keeping records of what you are doing.

if all else fails the day of show and you are bloated Lasix will do, be sure to use slow K (Potassium loader) if you are hitting hard with that product!

ALSO 100mg T-Prop eod! it is a great product when done in high enough doses.

Peace