Knotting up

[aaron05]

Had my first injection in the shoulder unfortunatley , it knotted up , about a day after I had the injection , Did half cc in shoulder ... Just wondering how long this usually last it's been almost a week still hurts like he$$ ... Any info would be appreciated : )

[hrpiii]

what did you shoot? How long have you been doing injections?

[aaron05]

this was my first injection, I didn't do it a friend of mine how has been doing it for years gave me the injection. But it was super test . like 4 blend , of deka sip , 2 other don't recall the names right off

[Caferacer]

Originally Posted by aaron05

Had my first injection in the shoulder unfortunatley , it knotted up , about a day after I had the injection , Did half cc in shoulder ... Just wondering how long this usually last it's been almost a week still hurts like he$$ ... Any info would be appreciated : )

Depends on things like hrpiii said. Some batches of gear are just nasty to inject.

It also helps to move the needle side to side as little as possible and inject slowly.

[joemomma]

Originally Posted by aaron05

this was my first injection, I didn't do it a friend of mine how has been doing it for years gave me the injection. But it was super test . like 4 blend , of deka sip , 2 other don't recall the names right off

I would think that you would want to know what was getting shot into you....I know I would.

[lisan]

Originally Posted by aaron05

Had my first injection in the shoulder unfortunatley , it knotted up , about a day after I had the injection , Did half cc in shoulder ... Just wondering how long this usually last it's been almost a week still hurts like he$$ ... Any info would be appreciated : )

Partner, first your shoulder is the last place you want to inject, scaring can really cause you problems down the road, especial a product such as super test. also you may not have gotten deep enough into the muscle. but my future advice is number one injection site is your ass, second quads and last using preferable water base gear is the shoulders. what i would do, is take a shower, get the flow right on the injection site and turn the heat has hot as you can take it, while doing this rub the site area hard, do this for several minutes, this will help you. also these types of products you are using many only have a Benzyl alcohol for sterility , and it should have a % of Benzyl Benzoat included "most try to save money and will not use BB" so it will not matter were you inject the problem may be constant "just a thought:

Peace and try the heat

[Caferacer]

+1 to the quads. It's big enough to move injection sites easily. Just be careful, there is a big vein in there. Always aspirate before injecting!

Also, calves and biceps are my last places to shoot. I liked shoulders but quads are the top of my list.

EDIT: By the way, I though suspension and Gh were some of the only things that use water suspension? I thought most was cottonseed or grape seed oil.

[lisan]

Originally Posted by Caferacer

+1 to the quads. It's big enough to move injection sites easily. Just be careful, there is a big vein in there. Always aspirate before injecting!

Also, calves and biceps are my last places to shoot. I liked shoulders but quads are the top of my list.

EDIT: By the way, I though suspension and Gh were some of the only things that use water suspension? I thought most was cottonseed or grape seed oil.

Partner as far as anabolics, Test suspension, winstrol, and Tren "in some places is water based) the other 2 the most common. GH and IGF are SQ injections. Keep in mind your Gluteus Maxi’s have the largest base of mass that is not loaded with nerves and striations’ in the muscle, I have seen guys land in the ER because they actually went between the muscle fiber as they injected. the oil sat and festered until the guy almost died from a serious infection. this is why the ass is first, quads 2nd as these are the largest mass to inject when you are injecting frequently.

Peace my man

[vassille]

First of all, as a starter you should not use supertest.....anything that's mixed in weird quantities and compounds is sometimes hard to suspend and as a result the shots are super painful.
Use straight up compounds as a start and as Lisan mentioned use quads and/or butt muscle to inject. Shoulders are a bit of a problem especially if they are small to inject. As a rule only use 1 cc for shoulders of test/deca..etc to start with....Straight up compounds! Use long needles of 1.5 and make sure it is in at least 1' prefferably 1 1/4. I dont like ppl who pussy out and use short needles. I've heard ppl using 1' needle for quads and glutes....total stupidity.
That's how you get infections and stuff by having liquid too close to the skin surface.
The only thing I would do if were you is to massage the area and keep it warm, trying to move that fluid out. It is normal sometimes to have that kind of pain for that long with a higly concentrate mix. If it does not go away at the end of 2 weeks go to a doctor, you might need antibiotics

[Caferacer]

Originally Posted by vassille

First of all, as a starter you should not use supertest.....anything that's mixed in weird quantities and compounds is sometimes hard to suspend and as a result the shots are super painful.
Use straight up compounds as a start and as Lisan mentioned use quads and/or butt muscle to inject. Shoulders are a bit of a problem especially if they are small to inject. As a rule only use 1 cc for shoulders of test/deca..etc to start with....Straight up compounds! Use long needles of 1.5 and make sure it is in at least 1' prefferably 1 1/4. I dont like ppl who pussy out and use short needles. I've heard ppl using 1' needle for quads and glutes....total stupidity.
That's how you get infections and stuff by having liquid too close to the skin surface.
The only thing I would do if were you is to massage the area and keep it warm, trying to move that fluid out. It is normal sometimes to have that kind of pain for that long with a higly concentrate mix. If it does not go away at the end of 2 weeks go to a doctor, you might need antibiotics

And a small needle! No need to use a cannon when something smaller will do. Remember, pull with the bigger pin, and switch off (ALWAYS replace the pin after pulling from the bottle) to a smaller diameter needle. That will help tremendously. Depending on how well your gear is suspended, you can use a pretty damn small needle without a problem (gauge, not length). I think my last cycle I used 18 to pull, and 21 gauge to inject.

[aaron05]

This helps ,,, I just remeber one of my other friends was shootin sip in his ass .. an it knotted up he coudn't freakin sit down .. but as far as needle length they're 1.5 at least. I'll prolly try the ol ass or quad next time ...... most of the people at the gym like it in their shoulder ??? dunno .. Granted this is just a small town .. I always like second opinions an this one def sounds more reasonable .. not gonna lie a lot of them have the mindset that their way is the only way ... ... Appreciate the help .. though .. how long of needle should be used for the quad ??? Thanks For help A.B

[lisan]

Originally Posted by aaron05

This helps ,,, I just remeber one of my other friends was shootin sip in his ass .. an it knotted up he coudn't freakin sit down .. but as far as needle length they're 1.5 at least. I'll prolly try the ol ass or quad next time ...... most of the people at the gym like it in their shoulder ??? dunno .. Granted this is just a small town .. I always like second opinions an this one def sounds more reasonable .. not gonna lie a lot of them have the mindset that their way is the only way ... ... Appreciate the help .. though .. how long of needle should be used for the quad ??? Thanks For help A.B

Partner when hitting the Quads i use 1 inch x 22 gauge, I will admit i hate hitting the quad area. My ass i always go with 1.5 inch x 21 to 23 gauge. I will also tell you if you are using the Denkal t-400, well i do not want to make you feel bad but it is junk gear my man. I would would be looking for some better quality *I know these days it is easer said then done*

Peace and good luck,

BTW did you try the hot shower deal or did things clear up on there own?

[aaron05]

Yeah right side is doing good now ... Left side didn't knot up put it in a lil slower , just got sore as hell ...Huntin season is comin up I'm gonna have to go to my ass or something cause It hard to shoot a bow with sore shoulders ... but yeah not near as bad this time ... So puttin it in the hip should it get as sore as arms .. dealin with the pain isn't a real big deal just un pleasant >>

[lisan]

Originally Posted by aaron05

Yeah right side is doing good now ... Left side didn't knot up put it in a lil slower , just got sore as hell ...Huntin season is comin up I'm gonna have to go to my ass or something cause It hard to shoot a bow with sore shoulders ... but yeah not near as bad this time ... So puttin it in the hip should it get as sore as arms .. dealin with the pain isn't a real big deal just un pleasant >>

Brother, you should not have to put up with any pain when using quality gear.
BE SAY PARTNER!

Peace

[vassille]

Originally Posted by Caferacer

And a small needle! No need to use a cannon when something smaller will do. Remember, pull with the bigger pin, and switch off (ALWAYS replace the pin after pulling from the bottle) to a smaller diameter needle. That will help tremendously. Depending on how well your gear is suspended, you can use a pretty damn small needle without a problem (gauge, not length). I think my last cycle I used 18 to pull, and 21 gauge to inject.

What you describe is def good practice to draw with one needle and switch to the other that goes without saying.
But when I inject 3cc in my quads 1 inch needle will not do it. I know many do it but since I haven't had any problems 1.5 it is.
Even my doctor is against the 1 inch needles, he sees to many infections and problems with ppl on HRT.

[vassille]

Originally Posted by aaron05

Yeah right side is doing good now ... Left side didn't knot up put it in a lil slower , just got sore as hell ...Huntin season is comin up I'm gonna have to go to my ass or something cause It hard to shoot a bow with sore shoulders ... but yeah not near as bad this time ... So puttin it in the hip should it get as sore as arms .. dealin with the pain isn't a real big deal just un pleasant >>

At times the pain can be just as bad. I normally use 1.5 pins for both quads and glutes to answer your other question. I see no positive outcome using 1 inch for quads...sorry Lisan for the contradiction, bro. I know ppl use 1 inch for quads but IMHO if you can go 1 inch deep you can go 1.5 and in all honesty it is much better to go deeper than be more shalow especially with larger quantities of oils.

[lisan]

Originally Posted by vassille

At times the pain can be just as bad. I normally use 1.5 pins for both quads and glutes to answer your other question. I see no positive outcome using 1 inch for quads...sorry Lisan for the contradiction, bro. I know ppl use 1 inch for quads but IMHO if you can go 1 inch deep you can go 1.5 and in all honesty it is much better to go deeper than be more shalow especially with larger quantities of oils.

Brother you are correct about hitting in the quads (my own weakness) but we are talking junk gear, I will always stay in Glutes. Quads 1 inch is fine for me, as i hit the muscle it is right there to hit. "once again personal" my man you know that the gear we are talking about i would not give to my dog. But this fellow is hurting, not because of the needle size, but the gear that is being used. *you are correct about the needle size when using quality product*

Peace my man