Making Transdermal 4AD from caps?

[austinv]

I'm not well connected in the local bodybuilding subculture, but I have found a place that sells PH under the counter. I want to do a 1AD 4AD stack, but all he has is orals in both. I understand the typical thing to do is take 1AD orally and 4AD transdermally. If I buy the 60caps of 250mg 4AD, and break open the caps, that gives me 15g of bulk 4AD powder I can then make a transdermal gel with, using phlojel or something (provided I can find a source for THAT).... right?

It seems like a lot of trouble, really, but from what I'm reading, transderm is almost 3X as efficient as oral. So unless I can find somewhere else that already has a premixed TD 4AD, I'll be stuck buying 3x as much 4AD for the same effect.

Am I making this way too complicated? I'm wanting to go 600mg 1AD, and also take enough 4AD to offset the lethargy and depressed sex drive which seems to be about 400mg transderm per day according to some sources, which would be 1200mg orally for the same effect.. (am I correct here?)

[RRAdam]

Problem with turning 4ad oral into a trans is all the filler that comes in the caps... it really isnt worth it considering the extra solvent you would have to use.

[austinv]

I wondered about that - all the binder and filler and crap. That's unfortunate, I already ordered some phlojel - I'll have to see if I can pick up 4AD bulk powder anywhere else.

I'll ask to have a look at the caps today, maybe I'll be really lucky and it will be bulk powder inside gelcaps instead of compressed tablets. Would gelcaps have filler in them as well? I can't imagine why, but I've never studies pharmacy either, so...

[vassille]

They all have fillers

[austinv]

Originally Posted by vassille

They all have fillers

Thanks... I was beginning to draw that same conclusion from some other reading I did today. So, next question: I did some reading about homebrewing transdermals, and a few of the instructionals say to "seperate out the fillers" but they don't give any details. Does anyone have a clue how this is done? I did some local inquiring today and no-one in my circle of contacts can get bulk 4AD powder. I'm stuck making what I can with the caps it seems.

[RRAdam]

you will spend more money heating the fillers out than just giving in and doing the 1500 mg orally

[milwood]

Originally Posted by RRAdam

you will spend more money heating the fillers out than just giving in and doing the 1500 mg orally

Agreed! You could make a t/d formula, but you're gonna have trouble getting the good stuff out of the binders. Seems like you're better off just mega-dosing the orals.

If you want to experiment, you could bust a few caps open and see if there is any hope of dissolving that stuff. You'll need some oter stuff besides phlojel. I did some pretty rough transdermal experiments back in '04, but what a pain in the a$$! I remember having some pasty white chalky dust smeared on my body when I was working out, and I was thinking, "...was this really worth it???"

On the bright side, though, I did manage to get some good gains from my t/d 4-AD, 1-T, 4-OHT concoction!

[austinv]

I actually busted open the caps and weighed the contents. It came out to around 250mg a cap, so I went ahead and did a T/D with phlojel. Just started yesterday so we'll see how it turns out. I might need to re-mix it though, as there seems to be a bit of clumpage I couldn't get rid of.

[vassille]

cool keep us posted

[austinv]

Originally Posted by RRAdam

you will spend more money heating the fillers out than just giving in and doing the 1500 mg orally

I'm not sure I'm quite on the same wavelength here. a 60capx250mg (15g) of 4AD bottle cost me $60. a 1500mg/day regimen would cost me an extra $120 for a 30 day cycle. Isopropyl alcohol is $2 a bottle.

[austinv]

I'm keeping a log of this cycle for anyone interested. I'm a bit of a windbag, but I know I got a lot out of reading a couple others' logs before I started my cycle.

phlog1

[Fastone]

I have dissolved a bunch of methyl drol caps into NO infuse. Has anybody tried this before and what do you think of it as far as effectiveness, etc...