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Old 05-02-2008, 11:53 AM
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Default 1AD, 4AD Oral stack questions

I've been lurking around here a bit, and I haven't seen specific answers to these questions - I did actually look around a bit, so please don't be too upset if this is a standard newbie question.

I'm eyeing up a 1AD, 4AD stack, and it will be my first experiment with Prohormones. I've done a bunch of reading, and of course there is a lot of conflicting information.

I currently weigh 210lbs, and I'd guess 15% bf. I'm 28, and I've been training since I was about 15. My workout load is 4 workouts per week, hitting each muscle group once per week. Diet varies a bit with my work, but I always aim to top 200g of protein a day.

So here's what I'm thinking:
I can get ergopharm 1AD in 60capx100mg bottles.
I can also (only) get 4AD in 60capx250mg bottles. I'd rather not take this orally, but that's what I have available with the contacts I have.
I can readily access Nolvadex, but it's not cheap.

I'm thinking I'd get 2 bottles of 1AD and 1 bottle of 4AD, and do 600mg/day 1AD with 500mg/day 4AD, split up into 3 and 2 doses respectively.

Does anyone have thoughts on this? is 600mg/day a bit strong for my first try?

PCT: I'm confused here, as these compounds are not supposed to produce much estrogen. Should I PCT with nolva? or focus more on trying to get my natural test back with products like tribulus? Should I do both? If I do PCT with nolva, what kind of dosage is recommended for this particular stack?

Thanks guys!

BTW, it's nice to find a forum full of educated people - as I said I've done some reading here, and it's been very enlightening.
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Old 05-17-2008, 10:08 PM
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Still waiting for someone to weigh in on the PCT. I've got some tamoxifen handy in case of gyno issues.. should I just start taking it for PCT when I'm done with the 1AD and 4AD, or would it be a waste?
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No its not a waste, take it for PCT right after you finish your cycle.
Take 20mg ED of nolva for 2 weeks and 10mg ED for the last week.

Now, if you have itchy nipps during the cycle then start taking nolva then at 20mg ED for a week and lower you dosage of 1ad/4AD if not keep dosage the way you have it.
hope this helps, PM me if you have anymore Qs
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Old 05-20-2008, 11:50 AM
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Thanks, I'll use it that way. Appreciate the input!
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