Epistane Help

[Joepannu]

I have few question on this product?
Is this product considered a steriod?
Also I have been reading about stacking this product with something to support liver from damage.
What is the best product that i can take?

Also do i need to stack anything else with epistane other then a supplement to support the liver?

[No_Logic]

Epistane is an oral steroid, and yes, if you are planning on going down that road, fully know what you are getting yourself into before you even start. There are stickies on here I believe in the steroids section that should help with what to take alongside Epistane but you will definitely need a SERM after your cycle and a full PCT ready. I've done just fine for myself going the natural route and can recommend some all natural supps that will help you out if you are interested. What are some of your stats, lifting history, goals, etc?

[joemomma]

You're not gonna get a whole lot of help without some basic info first: age, lifting history, diet, routine, stats, etc.

But to answer your question, yes, it's basically a steroid. It WILL screw with your liver, and your testicles. Read the stickies.

[chriscarr_78]

Well, after reading the 2 previous replies thought I'd post my cycles on here asopposed to starting a new thread though with reading through various posts I feel pretty stupid that I've not done my homework nearly half as thorough as i should have done! Basically followed a friends advice and away I went. Didn't take measurements, note of weight regularly, just what I started on (bench only) and what I was doing before I moved abroad.

I have no previous experience in weightlifting:

I'm 29. Didn't follow any diet. Just ate,ate,ate but I tend to eat well anyway. Chicken,tuna,fish,pasta,rice,potatoes,vegetables,f ruit,milk,water.

For 3months I followed this cycle:

Month 1:
Weight:165lbs
Bench press:132lbs
Training:5-7 times per week
Dianabol:20mg daily
Testosterone: 1mg a week
Equipose: 1mg a week
Deca:1mg aweek

Month 3:
Weight:198lbs
Bench Press:225lbs
Training:5-7 times per week
Dianabol:30mg daily
Testosterone:3mg a week
Equipose:3mg a week
Deca:3mg a week

Now, as I mentioned in my previous thread (Pec/Bicep Tear?) I came back to the UK about 6 weeks ago and had stopped everything for this time period and tore a muscle yesterday doing flyes with 33lbs!

Anyway, I digress, what I want to know is what you guys think of the cycle I was taking and any input, improvements I could do.

After reading some posts/threads I realise I know nothing about steroid use but I sure know about results.

[joemomma]

I imagine Ronnie Coleman is taking a stack similar to that. That is a sh*t load of compounds, amigo. You were not ready for any of those compounds by themselves, let alone stacked with each other. My suggestion would be to drop the gear and train naturally for a couple more years. In that time, read everything you can, don't listen to some fool in the gym. Do your own research. Gear is serious business, and if you don't know what you are doing you can and WILL screw yourself up something fierce.

What sort of PCT were you planning on running after that?

EDIT: are you sure about your dosages on some of those?

[chriscarr_78]

That last post was for me Joemomma?

I'm going to really show me ignorance now and tell you I had no PCT planned.
I'm actually feeling pretty embarassed typing this out to you all. Re-reading it shows just how LITTLE I actually know.

As for the dosages, yes, I am sure as I'd take 3 shots per week:

1mg Test+1mg Deca+1mg Equipose combined (Mon-Wed-Fri)

Plus, I took my Dianabol (30mg) daily.

My friend recommended I have 2mg (Test+Deca or Equipose) per week and 20mg daily.

[NoExcuses]

Originally Posted by chriscarr_78

Well, after reading the 2 previous replies thought I'd post my cycles on here asopposed to starting a new thread though with reading through various posts I feel pretty stupid that I've not done my homework nearly half as thorough as i should have done! Basically followed a friends advice and away I went. Didn't take measurements, note of weight regularly, just what I started on (bench only) and what I was doing before I moved abroad.

I have no previous experience in weightlifting:

I'm 29. Didn't follow any diet. Just ate,ate,ate but I tend to eat well anyway. Chicken,tuna,fish,pasta,rice,potatoes,vegetables,f ruit,milk,water.

For 3months I followed this cycle:

Month 1:
Weight:165lbs
Bench press:132lbs
Training:5-7 times per week
Dianabol:20mg daily
Testosterone: 1mg a week
Equipose: 1mg a week
Deca:1mg aweek

Month 3:
Weight:198lbs
Bench Press:225lbs
Training:5-7 times per week
Dianabol:30mg daily
Testosterone:3mg a week
Equipose:3mg a week
Deca:3mg a week

Now, as I mentioned in my previous thread (Pec/Bicep Tear?) I came back to the UK about 6 weeks ago and had stopped everything for this time period and tore a muscle yesterday doing flyes with 33lbs!

Anyway, I digress, what I want to know is what you guys think of the cycle I was taking and any input, improvements I could do.

After reading some posts/threads I realise I know nothing about steroid use but I sure know about results.

What a waste! So you stoped training for 6 weeks, then went back in and your were only doing 33lb flys?? You may have gained allot of weight in a short period of time, but you lost all of your strength cause you were no where close to ready for gear. Its stuff like this or you that the public feed off of. If you really were using??

[chriscarr_78]

Yes NoExcuses, your right...
I wasn't really using. I just came on here, decided to make a few choice comments and conjured up an imaginary tale as easily as Harry Potter saying "Expecto patronum!" and for what?

To impress you?

Pffft.

Yes, it does seem a waste, but, like I'd mentioned in my previous thread I'd had a lot going on in my personal life for these past 6 weeks that seriously minimised the amount of time I could spend in the gym and NO, I wasn't maxing out at 33lbs I was doing that little weight to break back into my routine gently and still I injured myself.

You are right, as Joemomma pointed out also, I did go about taking gear in the wrong way but please, if you wish to state your opinion then do so in an articulate manner and don't try to patronise me.

[joemomma]

Well, with no PCT you will probably lose most of what you gained, and your nuts are hating you right now At least you came in and asked for help and are looking to learn. That is a hard one to admit, kudos to you for doing so.

Now, that looks to be a rather small dose of test/eq. Most cycles that I know of consist of several hundred mg/wk, at least in the case of test. Are you maybe talking about mL?

[mitchcumstein]

Epistane is a steroid. Its been around since the late 60's but was called Epitiostanol back then. It was used as a breast cancer drug in Japan as it has a potent anti-estrogenic effect. It also has a good anabolic/androgenic ratio. How is it legal now? Simple, they just methylated it which made the drug even more powerful since in its old form it had poor bio-avalibility.


So, if youre gonna take it, cycle it properly and do proper PCT to keep your gains and get your HTPA back up and functioning quickly.


PS, if you dont understand anything i said in my post here then you probably shouldnt be taking it.

[chriscarr_78]

Cheers Joemomma,

Thanks for those comments. Like you said, I'm here to learn.

Your right, those dosages are in ml. (Looked at the amps, 1mg=200ml)

Well, I still have Test Cypionate, Deca Durabolin and a load of Dianabol so will probably add to that collection some gear for my PCT (any suggestions?). Have also been reading through Tribals threads to get more info and ideas since I last posted on here.

I've gained 7lbs in these past 6 weeks (what with Xmas and everything else!) and can see it especially round the stomach, feel that I've lost some muscle mass too (which again reinforces your advice to me so far). My balls? Yep. they're small Libido not affected though. Acne across chest and on forehead has cleared (though this was never severe). I think that's about it what I've noticed.


Going to see what my physio says tomorrow about my pec/bicep tear then will see when I can start my next cycle. Don't know whether to wait for full recovery or to use as I recover.

Again, joemomma, thanks for your words of advice thus far and for taking pity on someone who obviously knew far less than he thought

[joemomma]

I would recommend waiting (a long time) before you do any more. You need to get healed up fully, and get some more lifting experience under your belt before you go down the AAS road again. Do some research on PCT as well, you won't need any of the gear you mentioned for that

[jlozan84]

Originally Posted by chriscarr_78

Testosterone:3mg a week
Equipose:3mg a week
Deca:3mg a week

O'Rly?

[vassille]

I wouldnt recomend doing Epistein, not in the situation you are in right now.
BTW, you need to get your testies back up b/c a prolonged state of shrinkage will eventually make you crash.

[tdparmel]

Why is epistane sold out everywhere? Did the FDA ban this product?

[NoExcuses]

Originally Posted by chriscarr_78

Yes NoExcuses, your right...
I wasn't really using. I just came on here, decided to make a few choice comments and conjured up an imaginary tale as easily as Harry Potter saying "Expecto patronum!" and for what?

To impress you?

Pffft.

Yes, it does seem a waste, but, like I'd mentioned in my previous thread I'd had a lot going on in my personal life for these past 6 weeks that seriously minimised the amount of time I could spend in the gym and NO, I wasn't maxing out at 33lbs I was doing that little weight to break back into my routine gently and still I injured myself.

You are right, as Joemomma pointed out also, I did go about taking gear in the wrong way but please, if you wish to state your opinion then do so in an articulate manner and don't try to patronise me.

Missed this post somehow?? Sorry if I came of as a jerk or "Patronising" you as that was not my purpose. The fact of the matter is your lack of knowledge in this area is dangerous to yourself. You, as well as I, are no where near ready for gear. I think you figured that out by now and I am glad. Its scary to me that you went out and bought a bunch of juice, and started pinning with no idea of what you were doing.

Sorry thats my two cents, and people do come in here to try to "Impress others" with "look at me comments!". Kudos to you though for reaching out and asking for help. Good luck..

[chriscarr_78]

Thanks NoExcuses,

You and Joemomma are right, I'm not ready for that stuff. I'd been training at the gym for about a year, doing cardio and weights and though I new I was getting fitter and had lost weight I didn't feel I was much different looking at myself physically (I guess when you look at yourself in the mirror everyday it's harder to see the results).

Anyway, a friend of mine used to come over quite often and he's been training for years and he's a big guy and was quite open about his usage and it piqued my interest. We got talking about it and I asked for some and I got it. Blah, blah, blah I'm in this current situation.

It's only after I re-read my posts that I realise how stupid I was and maybe I took your comments the wrong way. But thanks a lot for coming here and explaining yourself, that means a lot and for you to also state that your not ready for gear either REALLY hits home. I mean, your legs are HUGE and how long you been training? (Right, think I've blown enough smoke up your ass )

Thanks again Guys,

CC

(PS: Change your avatar man, it doesn't do your legs justice. Too dark)

[mitchcumstein]

Originally Posted by tdparmel

Why is epistane sold out everywhere? Did the FDA ban this product?

because its so popular right now. if you look around you can still find Havoc, Hemaguno, or other clones. same thing.

[joemomma]

Havoc won't be around for long. I was reading over at the RPN forums, and the current run is the last one they are going to make. They said it was getting too expensive to run and the payoff wasn't that good for it. They were having a hard time getting the powders in from China post- Raw Deal and other mats were getting too expensive.
Lots of people are running these designer steroids, thinking that they are safe. Well, they aren't. They will trash your liver. Anything that you take orally has to be processed by your liver, and some things (especially methylated prohormones) are toxic to it. I ran a cycle of Havoc last year during the spring or summer, and it destroyed my lipids, verified by bloodwork. I won't be running any of that again.

[mitchcumstein]

Originally Posted by joemomma

Havoc won't be around for long. I was reading over at the RPN forums, and the current run is the last one they are going to make. They said it was getting too expensive to run and the payoff wasn't that good for it. They were having a hard time getting the powders in from China post- Raw Deal and other mats were getting too expensive.
Lots of people are running these designer steroids, thinking that they are safe. Well, they aren't. They will trash your liver. Anything that you take orally has to be processed by your liver, and some things (especially methylated prohormones) are toxic to it. I ran a cycle of Havoc last year during the spring or summer, and it destroyed my lipids, verified by bloodwork. I won't be running any of that again.

Lol, liver toxicity is way overblown on these boards. I feel safer taking oral steroids/ph's then drinking alcohol.