ErgoMax LMG side effects

[TheMatt]

Hey everyone! First off, I would just like to say, I've been around these boards now for about 6 months. I really enjoy the community around here and have learned alot from reading numerous threads and topics. I'm impressed by the knowledge u guys have, and figured it's time to give in and become apart of this community.

I've made sure to do my homework before starting a PH, and am not the type to jump into things. I never considered doing a PH until a buddy at work offered me his ErgoMax pills for $25. They were still sealed up, and only purchased about a month ago. He was injured up here, and won't be hitting the gym for a few months (broken arm). I took him up on the offer, and that's when I started my research.

Researching, it looks like ErgoMax is a good PH to get my feet wet with, as it's not as androgenic as, say, PheraPlex or Superdrol (yet not as clean as those either, I understand). I started my cycle a week ago, with 10mg for the first 4 days, and upped it to 20mg a couple days ago...I know, I know. I should have done a full week, but I felt like I was ready. I'll do 20mg for 2 weeks, and then go 30mg my last week.

I'm stacking with BCAAs and AX's Stimulant X. I read alot of great reviews for SX and it sounded like a good alternative to ephedrine, just to help overcome any lathargic sides, plus the assisted energy it adds at the gym. I'm not a fan, as I've grown tolerant of it way too damn fast, and that's at taking the highest recommended dose (2 x 2d).

That being said, I'll lead into my question. The cycles been going well. I know the best results probably won't come until the last week/week and 1/2. Since I've upped to 20mg, I'm experiencing decent pumps, and feeling fuller throughout my muscles. The last couple days though, my man bag has really been achin'...The Nutz are in a vice, sorta say. The last time I teabagged someone was about 2 weeks ago, so I don't think that's it ;-) The side I'm concerned about is prostate problems, which is probably the culprity (Common symptoms of prostate problems are frequent or difficult
urination, dribbling when urinating, erection difficulty, and pain in that
general area.)...but would it be pain the balls?

I've found numerous "side effects" posts, but none seemed to mention about "the boys down unda'" feeling like they just got biotch slapped, unless I'm misunderstanding the prostate sides. I have nolvadex and milk thistle for the post cycle, but didn't think sides would really come until after (aside from possible back pumps, marble shrinkage [but I haven't heard of it aching...and I'm not shrinking any anywho] and maybe acne, which I haven't experienced either thus far)? Rradam, Mitchumstein, Derek Anthony (jk!) , any suggestions? Something I should add to my stack for assistance?

Stats:
Age: 29
Weight: 225
Experience: off and on for 2 years...hardcore for the last 6 months (Again, I know...should be hardcore for 2-4 years before ph)
Diet: 200-250g of protein, 1500-2000 calories daily

[drugsarebad...hummmkayy]

if your sack of spuds is hurting then i would get it checked out!!!!!!

[ahnold99]

I've had that while on. They hurt and feel tight; I also get the dribbles. Sounds like you may have a prostate issue from your cycle; no biggie. Drink lots of water and take Saw Palmetto (Prostate Support). I recommend Now Foods brand; cheap and good quality prods. It should go away in a few days after starting the saw palmetto.

[TheMatt]

Originally Posted by ahnold99

I've had that while on. They hurt and feel tight; I also get the dribbles. Sounds like you may have a prostate issue from your cycle; no biggie. Drink lots of water and take Saw Palmetto (Prostate Support). I recommend Now Foods brand; cheap and good quality prods. It should go away in a few days after starting the saw palmetto.

Thanks for the information, Ahnold99. Fortunately, the pain evaded the day after I posted this. I've felt pretty good over the weekend, but on weekends (since I don't workout on Sats and Suns), I just do 10mg. I'll return to doing 20mg tomorrow, and will probably bump up to 30mg in the middle of the week if feeling well.

I'm ordering more product tonight, so I'll make sure to snag some Saw Palmetto, as you mention. I've already been slamming a good 1 -2 gallons a day in water. Aside from the Nolv', what do you guys favor for your post cycle? Any favorite Trib products? Hot Pocket (ham and cheese)? j/k

[mitchcumstein]

Originally Posted by drugsarebad...hummmkayy

if your sack of spuds is hurting then i would get it checked out!!!!!!

I think i would if it were me. I know what it feels like to have sack shrinkage while on cycle and while theres a definete sensation, its not really painfull. More of a dull ache. Something else might be going on.

[TheMatt]

Yeah, I don't know what the deal was/is. Like I mentioned though, I haven't had any pain in the last 3 days. I haven't had any other sides going on...no dribblage, no shrinkage; none of that. We'll see how the rest of the cycle goes. I just had one night, and half of a day where it was really aching me. I had a hard time sleeping the night it was aching. I'm married, so I know it wasn't the "blue ball" factor. But then again, the pain might not have had anything to do with the cycle. If it comes back, I'll try coming off the Ergo and see if that helps. I couldn't find any ingredients in the Stimulant X that should cause problems, but you never know. Again, it might not have had anything to do with the cycle. I'll keep you updated. I want to post some before and after pics too, so I can share my success (if I finish the cycle). If I abort the cycle, I'll have the rest of my Ergo up for grabs for free. This picture demonstrates my pain (picture it as a bad case of moose knuckles [frontside] rather than his ass)>>>

[drugsarebad...hummmkayy]

Originally Posted by mitchcumstein

I think i would if it were me. I know what it feels like to have sack shrinkage while on cycle and while theres a definete sensation, its not really painfull. More of a dull ache. Something else might be going on.

i would too just in case.
im always paranoid about stuff like this!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ahnold99]

I usually just attributed it to the androgenic effects of what I was on, and it usually happened about when I felt I was getting shut down. As I said above, water and saw palmetto took care of it for me pretty quickly. Sitting in the hot tub or a good bj can't hurt either LOL.

[TheMatt]

Well, I've given it a few days on the Saw Palmetto and plenty of water. I get the BJs/sex, and I even sit in the hot tub a few nights a week. Things haven't gotten any better. It's making it hard to walk now. To this end I've decided to abort the cycle. Honestly, I think I've been doing it right, but my prostate just isn't handling this well at all.

I can't help but wonder if any aas would have done this too me. I don't know if I will nerve myself up enough to try again...only time will tell. This sucks too, because I was finally starting to feel the positive effects of the cycle. In just the 2 weeks I was on, I added 10lbs to my flat bench and 30lbs to my squats...I was really starting to rage on bicep routines too.

I'll start my nolva tomorrow. I have 60 tabs and just ordered 100 more (damn!), which was pointless. Here's the question...Do I still need to do the 30 days of Nolva?

[drugsarebad...hummmkayy]

although its upsetting to give up maybe its the only option. i dont know enough about ergomax to tell you wether youve been shut down after 2 weeks!!!

[TheMatt]

Yeah, I'm pretty bummed out. I really wanted to see this through. I hope I can recoop without any problems. I'm actually not too worried about it though. I think I'll recover just fine, but I'll keep you posted otherwise.

Like I mentioned before, I had the chance to grab the Ergo at a cheap price, and my buddy really pushed me to try it out. This kid's a beast, and, before he had his accident, had already gone through a cycle of PheraPlex and thought the ErgoMax wouldn't be much different.

Researching it, the chemical make of it seems to be a little dirtier than a strong PH like SD or PP, but ppl had mentioned that it would probably be weaker on the sides. If I were to go back, I probably would just throw down the extra and try the PheraPlex or SD, but Kip and Napoleon didn't market their time machine in a place where I could find it. I don't handle needles well...seriously...I have to be laid on a couch everytime I have my blood drawn, so I hesitate to try Test or any other injected aas. I'll probably just stick it clean due to this incident.

[TheMatt]

Well, I tapered down to 10mg a day just to see if I could handle it, and after a couple days I was fine. I'm up to 20mg a day again, but am taking it at different times, which may or may not make the difference, but is working well...the balls aren't killing me anymore. I was taking a pill first thing in the morning, and then one right before working out. I take the first one now between breakfast and lunch, and take the last one after working out. It just feels like my body is absorbing it better, and making more use of it if I take it at these times. In 2 days I will up to 30mg, and will finish off the cycle.