Havoc - other supps to support cycle

[joemomma]

Later this summer I'm going to start a cycle of Havoc (ordered today, going to start later when I get the other things I need). What do you guys recommend to cycle with it (necessary vs nice-to-haves), also, what for PCT? I see Nolva recommended a lot. Is that the best way to go for PCT?

[bigale]

for pct its recommended that you use nolva. for support supps liver longer and cycle support are highly recommended. BCAA's, maybe use creatine in your pct.

[joemomma]

Roger that. I'll see if I can come up with some nolva...

[DrnkMnky]

For on cycle get AI's Cycle Support.

This is what i would use for PCT:
Toremifene: 120 for 3 days, 90 for 4 days, 60 for a week,40 for a week
Cortisol Blocker - lean Xtreme or retain 2
Trib product
cell volumizer - creatine/NO supps

[bigale]

Originally Posted by DrnkMnky

For on cycle get AI's Cycle Support.

This is what i would use for PCT:
Toremifene: 120 for 3 days, 90 for 4 days, 60 for a week,40 for a week
Cortisol Blocker - lean Xtreme or retain 2
Trib product
cell volumizer - creatine/NO supps

toremifene is a good shout but i cant find it under research chems so thats why im going with nolva pm me if you know where they stock it.

i strongly recommend liver longer, a must while on orals

[joemomma]

Doing some reading over at AM, and most of those cats recommended tormifene over nolva. Seems tor is much faster acting than the nolva - guys were saying everything was back "down" in place in like 4-5 days. Using tor for two weeks, progressively decreasing dosage, then adding something like Rebound XT or something similar for a few more weeks.

Oh, I found several research chem sites (google) that sell it. It's a little bit higher than Nolva though.

[bigale]

Originally Posted by joemomma

Doing some reading over at AM, and most of those cats recommended tormifene over nolva. Seems tor is much faster acting than the nolva - guys were saying everything was back "down" in place in like 4-5 days. Using tor for two weeks, progressively decreasing dosage, then adding something like Rebound XT or something similar for a few more weeks.

Oh, I found several research chem sites (google) that sell it. It's a little bit higher than Nolva though.

torm is much better but ive been unable to find it can you give me a PM with the sites you found. would be much appreciated

[joemomma]

PM sent...

How's this for PCT:

Week 1: Torm 120(3) 90(4)
Week 2: Torm 60/Rebound XT
Week 3: Torm 40/Rebound XT/trib
Week 4: Rebound XT/trib

Think the trib is necessary in there? For that matter, is the torm really necessary? Could you just go with Rebound XT at little higher dosage?

[drugsarebad...hummmkayy]

i would always stick with nolva!!!!!!!!!

[bigale]

Originally Posted by joemomma

PM sent...

How's this for PCT:

Week 1: Torm 120(3) 90(4)
Week 2: Torm 60/Rebound XT
Week 3: Torm 40/Rebound XT/trib
Week 4: Rebound XT/trib

Think the trib is necessary in there? For that matter, is the torm really necessary? Could you just go with Rebound XT at little higher dosage?

maybe be overkill on the pct not sure you need the trib or rebound but its better to be save then sorry.

thanks for the pm

[yaboyjjones]

alot of it is overkill. havoc isn't as harsh as a prohormone as people think. It's not superdrol is what i am saying. You don't need a lot of stuff, just take it, take a liver support,estro blocker, pct and your good.

[joemomma]

You're saying take an anti-estrogen while on cycle? Or for PCT?

[joemomma]

Supps have arrived, going to finish out this round of Kre-Alk then get going on the Havoc a little sooner than I thought (surprise surprise)...
Anyway, here's what's in the big bag o' supps:

Havoc
AI Cycle Support powder
ON Flaxseed Oil softgels
For PCT, I've got Rebound XT

Anyone have any recommended dosages for the Havoc? I'll probably start slow (10mg ed), then up to 20mg ed then 30mg ed for the last week. I've read that Havoc really starts to diminish after the third week, can anyone comment? Is the RXY suffiecient for PCT, or do I need to go with some Torm? I'd like to get away with just the RXT, as I'll be moving very soon and may not have the cash flow for a last minute order.

[bigale]

Originally Posted by joemomma

Supps have arrived, going to finish out this round of Kre-Alk then get going on the Havoc a little sooner than I thought (surprise surprise)...
Anyway, here's what's in the big bag o' supps:

Havoc
AI Cycle Support powder
ON Flaxseed Oil softgels
For PCT, I've got Rebound XT

Anyone have any recommended dosages for the Havoc? I'll probably start slow (10mg ed), then up to 20mg ed then 30mg ed for the last week. I've read that Havoc really starts to diminish after the third week, can anyone comment? Is the RXY suffiecient for PCT, or do I need to go with some Torm? I'd like to get away with just the RXT, as I'll be moving very soon and may not have the cash flow for a last minute order.

havoc: 10/20/20/30 is recommended for a first time user. id go with that and judge your progress.

as for rebound XT, i would of gone with torm/nolva but its upto you

good luck with your cycle are you going to log it???

[jlozan84]

Originally Posted by joemomma

PM sent...

How's this for PCT:

Week 1: Torm 120(3) 90(4)
Week 2: Torm 60/Rebound XT
Week 3: Torm 40/Rebound XT/trib
Week 4: Rebound XT/trib

Think the trib is necessary in there? For that matter, is the torm really necessary? Could you just go with Rebound XT at little higher dosage?

Make sure you run your ATD (RXT) inverse to the SERM and stop it abrubtly @ the end.

Also, I would recommend running some rhodiola & tyrosine, something for your joints as the strength increases, and maybe taurine if cramps get bad.

[joemomma]

Yes, I'll be trying to get a log going on this, but I'm still a couple of weeks out. Sounds like a SERM is gonna be required, getting ready to order some Nolva...torm is OOS, and Nolva has proven results.
Jlo- what do you mean run it inverse? As in start high with the Nolva and low with the RXT, then taper the torm down and up the RXT?

[jlozan84]

Originally Posted by joemomma

Jlo- what do you mean run it inverse? As in start high with the Nolva and low with the RXT, then taper the torm down and up the RXT?

Yes....

[joemomma]

Thanks a bunch....so here's the revised plan:

Havoc weeks 1-4 @ 10/20/20/30

PCT:
Week 1: Nolva 120(3) 90(4)
Week 2: Nolva (60) RXT 1 cap ed
Week 3: Nolva (40) RXT 2 cap ed
Week 4: Nolva (20) RXT 3 cap ed

Thoughts? I'm not really sure about the dosages with Nolva, are these right?

[jlozan84]

Originally Posted by joemomma

Thanks a bunch....so here's the revised plan:

Havoc weeks 1-4 @ 10/20/20/30

PCT:
Week 1: Nolva 120(3) 90(4)
Week 2: Nolva (60) RXT 1 cap ed
Week 3: Nolva (40) RXT 2 cap ed
Week 4: Nolva (20) RXT 3 cap ed

Thoughts? I'm not really sure about the dosages with Nolva, are these right?

WOW - way too much Nolva. lol......try something like this:

Nolva 40mg/RXT 25mg/Reduce XT 75mg
Nolva 20mg/RXT 50mg/Reduce XT 50mg
Nolva 20mg/RXT 50mg/Reduce XT 25mg
Nolva 10mg/RXT 75mg/Reduce XT 25mg

I put in Reduce XT as it would be a good idea to have a cortisol blocker in there for PCT.

BTW, this SERM inverse to ADT is something that is pretty commonly used over at AM. Not my own info......

[joemomma]

Thanks for the help!