One of my friend.

[NPayette]

He's a real natural athlete, he's now 32 years old and want to run a cutting cycle.

he's now like 210#, 5 7", 12% bf. He looks really great. He never took any roids of his life and he's not afraid to do so.

He want me to give him advice on this. Has I never ran a cutting cycle I proposed him something like that

Test Prop 1-8 100mg/EOD
Anavar (Optional)
Clen 2on/2off (Optional)

Does that make sense? With a good diet and cardio?

[HerculeS]

Originally Posted by NPayette

He's a real natural athlete, he's now 32 years old and want to run a cutting cycle.

he's now like 210#, 5 7", 12% bf. He looks really great. He never took any roids of his life and he's not afraid to do so.

He want me to give him advice on this. Has I never ran a cutting cycle I proposed him something like that

Test Prop 1-8 100mg/EOD
Anavar (Optional)
Clen 2on/2off (Optional)

Does that make sense? With a good diet and cardio?

I think that Tren + Winstrol is great for it too.

[NPayette]

Originally Posted by HerculeS

I think that Tren + Winstrol is great for it too.

Yeah but for a first cycle, tren seems a bit overboard

Might try to add winny in it, but lot of people around are saying it isn't worth ****.

[HerculeS]

Originally Posted by NPayette

Yeah but for a first cycle, tren seems a bit overboard

Might try to add winny in it, but lot of people around are saying it isn't worth ****.

Why?

Your friend may use Test Prop + Winstrol + Nandrolone Phenylpropionate

[hrpiii]

why not propose a good diet and cardio. Or does he think that AAS is magic fairy dust and you can eat what you want and be ripped?

[BiggerGuns=LongerDrives]

Originally Posted by hrpiii

why not propose a good diet and cardio.

Great advice

[NPayette]

Originally Posted by hrpiii

why not propose a good diet and cardio. Or does he think that AAS is magic fairy dust and you can eat what you want and be ripped?

He already got a great diet.

The thing is that he doesn'T want to loose muscle while he diet, and he want to see QUICK results before the summer and at the same time maybe add a little mass...

He's a STRONG BIG natural guy. I am not one to give him advice in this thing. He want to try AAS at the same time to see what he might be able to achieve with it. (He doesn'T want to get bigger and I understand him he loook like a pro (Just a small one haha) right now. Small waist, very wide shoulder, thick chest.

Anyway, he will do a cycle, that's a sure thing. He'll diet too that's a sure thing. I just want to throw him in the good direction AAS wise.

[drugsarebad...hummmkayy]

Originally Posted by hrpiii

why not propose a good diet and cardio. Or does he think that AAS is magic fairy dust and you can eat what you want and be ripped?

why not propose that to every one who asks a question about aas?
if he wanted to know that he would have posted in the diet/training section.

[NiteHawk]

Originally Posted by NPayette

He already got a great diet.

The thing is that he doesn'T want to loose muscle while he diet, and he want to see QUICK results before the summer and at the same time maybe add a little mass...

He's a STRONG BIG natural guy. I am not one to give him advice in this thing. He want to try AAS at the same time to see what he might be able to achieve with it. (He doesn'T want to get bigger and I understand him he loook like a pro (Just a small one haha) right now. Small waist, very wide shoulder, thick chest.

Anyway, he will do a cycle, that's a sure thing. He'll diet too that's a sure thing. I just want to throw him in the good direction AAS wise.

Im doing a cutting cycle now for a show and I havent lost any muscle yet and my strength is still going up and I dont take any AAS.
Proper diet, training and rest are your best friends.

[hrpiii]

Your friend is really showing a lack of knowledge here. He thinks that AAS is a quick fix for dropping bodyweight without losing muscle. He will still have to eat properly and do cardio. Just can't eat nothing and think the AAS will preserve muscle.

Or, is this his way/excuse for running his first cycle? I mean, I don't care, but let's call it what it is.

[mywetnightmares]

He's 5'7" 210 and 12% bodyfat naturally, I'd say he's probly got his diet and routine down pretty good.

Tell him to just go with a test e cycle, 12 weeks long and cut on it rather than bulk. Most people should use a 10-12 week test e bulk as their first cycle, but if he want's to cut for summer that's understandable. If he's already at 12% he shouldn't need to worry about cutting too fast. Maybe have him frontload with 3 weeks of prop and finish with 2 weeks of prop. I also wouldn't recommend giving him a strong thermo like clen when it's already hot outside. Maybe something like low dose t3. Keep it low enough and it will actually help with protein synthesis while aiding fat loss. The magic number that I've been hearing is 12.5 mcg ed for as long as you want since a dose that low won't suppress natty t3 production. Just make sure to have him do a thyroid PCT as well as a normal PCT. Definitely make sure he includes an anti-cortisol in his pct so he doesn't pile all his fat back on and/or lose any newly gained muscle.

[Poobah]

Originally Posted by NPayette

He's a real natural athlete, he's now 32 years old and want to run a cutting cycle.

he's now like 210#, 5 7", 12% bf. He looks really great. He never took any roids of his life and he's not afraid to do so.

He want me to give him advice on this. Has I never ran a cutting cycle I proposed him something like that

Test Prop 1-8 100mg/EOD
Anavar (Optional)
Clen 2on/2off (Optional)

Does that make sense? With a good diet and cardio?

I'm not going to argue for or against gear...

Test prop for 8 weeks... I've done a few different varieties of test prop.. even pharma grade amps at one point.. 50mg/ml.. and I still felt it... Underground usually hurts significantly more.... now perhaps you have a variety of prop that doesn't hurt.. although I'd be sceptical of actual concentration... but I certainly don't know everything. ( I've never tried prop with OE in it yet, perhaps that takes the edge off).

Anyway, for a first time.. I would urge him not to try test prop for a first cycle... far to many pinning, and potentially to much stiffness, and 2 injection sites is usually not a very good idea, if soreness still persists or if still not fully recovered.

test enan is much better... 2 relatively painless shots a week.. now who can't live with that.. only 2 injections sites required. anavar is a good match, and so is eq, or even a combonation of both (although not nessecary)

I'd reconsider taking it as far as clen though? In 8 weeks, without the clen eh should still be able to get from 12 to sub 10 and look great.. while actually gaining a few lbm.

[NPayette]

I might try to get him on that road... But he doesn't want to bloat, so I guess he should take an AI all the way thru the cycle + front load with Test E...

Kickstart with Anavar???

Whoa, I don't even understand what the fvck is a cutting cycle HAHA! Cycle is for mass gain IMO (When no competition is involved). But he needs direction and as a friend I will provide him that.

[MindFreak]

Originally Posted by NPayette

I might try to get him on that road... But he doesn't want to bloat, so I guess he should take an AI all the way thru the cycle + front load with Test E...

Kickstart with Anavar???

Whoa, I don't even understand what the fvck is a cutting cycle HAHA! Cycle is for mass gain IMO (When no competition is involved). But he needs direction and as a friend I will provide him that.

maybe i'm wrong but after reading all your posts on this thread it sounds like a lot of bs. i think its you that wants this information and you know everyone will not help you cause they will say you're not old enough. why would any 32 yr old with a great diet 12% bodyfat and in great shape come to you(who admits to knowing nothing about aas) for advice? doesnt make sense. like i said maybe i'm wrong but something sounds fishy

[NPayette]

Bro lol
I am currently on a bulking cycle, still 6 week to go! My log is in this section. And if I wanted the information I think I would've gotten a pretty good feedback from everybody around here

thanks anyway,
N.

[NPayette]

And BTW, I'm a good source of information for lot of my friend... I've a pretty good and respected knowledge about nutrition, training and now learning AAS (Reading everyday and experimenting myself...)

He come to me because I've trained him for years...

[MindFreak]

ok im not going to argue. i'll take your word for it. like i said maybe i'm wrong. it just seemed a little fishy to me.

[drugsarebad...hummmkayy]

NPAYETTE to my knowledge is already way into a cycle of dbol,test.
why the **** would he come here asking for cutting cycle advice for himself.
it doesnt really sound that fishy. surely he wouldnt just make up a stupid story like that. hes already getting great advice everyday on his own cycle from around 12+ members. why wouldnt he just ask them and say the cutting cycle was for him. they obviously wouldnt say he was too young as theyre already helping him on another cycle................

[warri0r87]

if it wasnt for the fact that i know NPayette does his own research and is already doing a cycle, i would say that it did sound a lil fishy, lol.

[MindFreak]

Originally Posted by drugsarebad...hummmkayy

NPAYETTE to my knowledge is already way into a cycle of dbol,test.
why the **** would he come here asking for cutting cycle advice for himself.
it doesnt really sound that fishy. surely he wouldnt just make up a stupid story like that. hes already getting great advice everyday on his own cycle from around 12+ members. why wouldnt he just ask them and say the cutting cycle was for him. they obviously wouldnt say he was too young as theyre already helping him on another cycle................

i didnt know he was doing a cycle already. i dont read each and every post here. i can man up and admit when i'm wrong. i apologized to him already (in PM).