My first REAL cycle

[naturally323]

I am starting my first real cycle... i messed around with orals before but of course i never kept the gains. I am doing it light


Week1-12 Testosterone Enanthate
Week 13-16 Nolvadex


How much muscle should i expect to gain??

[mitchcumstein]

I would go 10 weeks first time around and also PCT for an enanthate ester starts 2 weeks after last injection.

[hrpiii]

Originally Posted by naturally323

How much muscle should i expect to gain??

AAS ain't no magic pill. Tell us how good you diet will be each and every day of those 12 weeks and we might have a better guess.

Since you mention you have not been able to hold onto he gains made with orals, is telling me you won't be able to hold onto these gains either.

Prove us wrong.

[Poobah]

Cycle is fine...

I'd suggest that 10 weeks vs. 12 weeks is sort of hair splitting, in reality its a non-issue.

If he were saying test prop for 8 weeks for a first cycle, I'd probably suggest he scale back is plans to 4-6 weeks, I'd even try to convince him to try Enanthate instead for sheer comfort reasons... but 2 weeks give or take on a test enan cycle, nah. Personally I think 12 is better.. 10 weeks is considered the minimum cycle length, emphasis on "MINIMUM".



Diet and dedication is the determining factor. So if you couldn't keep anything on a oral cycle.. (which also tells me you were not able to make gains naturally since that oral cycle).. which tells us all that you don't have diet down at least.

[117]

6.What sort of gains should I expect ?

This is a question dependent on too many variable factors and has no answer. DO NOT ASK THIS QUESTION. It only works on people's nerves and makes them not want to answer your other questions. This is possibly the dumbest question you can ask.

http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/fo...tml#post246512

This is something I wanted to have a bit of a rant about, being a new member and all. OK, fair enough, there are a lot of factors that make it impossible to say what kind of results anyone is going to experience.

"Individual results may vary."

But would it be that difficult for those of you who have previous experience to give a brief run down of that experience?

eg: "I done that exact same cycle for my first. I was x weight to start with and gained about x amount. I'll admit my diet could have been better.. blah blah blah"

or "my diet and training was spot on 100% blah blah blah"

You get the picture.

[mitchcumstein]

Originally Posted by Poobah

Cycle is fine...

I'd suggest that 10 weeks vs. 12 weeks is sort of hair splitting, in reality its a non-issue.

If he were saying test prop for 8 weeks for a first cycle, I'd probably suggest he scale back is plans to 4-6 weeks, I'd even try to convince him to try Enanthate instead for sheer comfort reasons... but 2 weeks give or take on a test enan cycle, nah. Personally I think 12 is better.. 10 weeks is considered the minimum cycle length, emphasis on "MINIMUM".



Diet and dedication is the determining factor. So if you couldn't keep anything on a oral cycle.. (which also tells me you were not able to make gains naturally since that oral cycle).. which tells us all that you don't have diet down at least.

The reason i suggest 10 weeks is cause a 12 week cycle is bordeline IMO to needing HCG as youll get more shutdown from those extra 2 weeks. 8 weeks isnt really long enough for that ester. 9 and 11 would be stupid cause I have OCD and dont like odd numbers. hence the magic number 10.