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Oral Steroids - Superdrol etc..
Just my 2 cents - stay a way from this stuff, the toxic affects are 100 % true. I know top level guys who damaged thier livers etc on these superdrol clones ! better to do gear, its been around alot longer and is safer than these mixes made by amature scientists..
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strength gains were excellent. mass gains (muscle not fat) were pretty average though. probably gained around 4lbs of muscle and lost 1lb of that afterwards. still i will agree. although orals may seem safer in perspective to a new user.... i would advise them myself to stick with a good olde bit 'o' test!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
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04-12-2007, 04:34 PM
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I mean your right that orals are not the way to go but with all the fake gear out there at least with SD you know your getting the real deal.
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I'll count myself lucky I guess.. But as for orals.. I wouldn't go so far to say that SD is Evil... Anadrol at what has been at 150 - 200mg a day is also fairly common place for big guys for many years now, and it isn't exactly freindly on the liver either. But yes injectibles will always be better for your health (injectible winstrol and dbol not included).. I think the Issue is miss use.. and I'll be very frank on this aswell... You may know big professionals that have ****ed up thier liver on superdrol, or perhaps it was some other oral or combination.. But sadly, it seems that sometimes the most abusive users are the very professionals we sometimes seem to envy. I too know "Professionals" granted not alot, but national level none the less.. and this one guy imperticular, will mix anadrol, winstrol and m1t at the same ****ing time, and no matter how much I tell him he's touched in the head for doing it.. he keeps on doing it. And not only that, he tends to cycle far to long, and almost never comes off orals at all, just switching to different things... Oh and on top of that he uses lipitor, cause of his pucked up cholesterol that probably wouldn't of been as pucked up if it wasn't for the orals in the first place. and you know what makes all that even worse... He's a big time trainer, training alot of guys that are inspired to look just like him, and they listen and take all the **** he tells them to take... Breeding a whole new generation of absolutely idiot cycling... **** like this goes down all the time.. I'm not saying all professionals are like this.. but there is more stupid **** going on out there then most of us would like to believe. The point is.. there is nothing wrong using an oral intermitently as part of a injectible cycle... but you got to be smart about it.. Don't expect to cycle sd 4 weeks on and 4 weeks off cause your lipids will not be able ot rebound, and your liver will go toxic eventually... 4 weeks on and 8 weeks off is probably okay, but only blood work could say for sure.
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04-12-2007, 08:12 PM
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I agree with Poobah here on abuse. I know of a person in his early 20's that takes dbol for 6 weeks along with sustenon for 12 weeks. Then he takes 6 weeks off on nolva and 2 shots of HCG as PCT then back on on another cycle!
To get hurt from orals you really need to do stupid amounts for a long time. 4-weeks at the time, 2x-3x times a year is safe as long as you have your cholesterol checked along with liver values.
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04-12-2007, 11:31 PM
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SD is toxic period and alot of the new stuff is worse.
this is pretty true id did SD for 4 weeks and was getting heart burn bad(first sign off liver damage happening) Milk thistle and ALA helped alot and liver values were back to normally in 2 weeks. but whats up with all the talk about how hydoxyl metabolits and acetate based porducts actually carry higher toxicity then a methylated product any truth to this?
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Even if you experienece no side affects, there are side affects happening inside of you....the ones who get limted side affects are the exception not the norm. M1T and Superdrol are the two most toxic orals....I would choose good old D-BOL anytime and its actually cheaper if you know the right people !!
But at the same time I confess I tried Superdrol and it killed my stomach so I stopped after a few days.... DA
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04-13-2007, 12:09 PM
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The only bad side effect that I had from a cycle of Superdrol, were horrible back pump (but still less then those of Dbol). But my blood test showed no bad sign of anything after it.
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Yeah but still it doesn't mean it has to be the worst case, as stated I had bloodwork done after and all my values were within good healthy range. Which mean it was not from kidney or liver problem but more from added nitrogen retention caused by some <medecine>
 Thanks for the info tho.
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04-13-2007, 02:51 PM
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The fake gear situation has been talked about indpth inother threads but yes I do think it is a big problem. Pretty much all British Dragon gear is probly fake. So now I will probly just do like 1 or 2 orals cycles a year with SD and believe me I am not happy about it but thats how it goes.
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i agree n the fact that sd should never be taken lightly. i treid a cycle of it and 4 weeks later treid another after a dick head on another site advised me to.
after my second pill my heart began to burn with pain and i began having anxiety attacks in bed and stuff. injectables are the way to go....... if your afraid of needles then maybe aas arent for you.....
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Agreed.... I have done 2 sd cycles and had the proper blood work done before/after each cycle (as I do for all my cycles) and it is very hard on you….. I bought like 7 bottles before the ban (to stock up) and after my second cycle I won’t touch the stuff..
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