Will propecia help with hair loss during a cycle

[naturally323]

Will propecia prevent hair loss while doing a cycle??

[Poobah]

I'm a bit of a basterd.. lol

I've always neglected this area of supplementation... Simply cause I don't seem to suffer from MPB.

But yes it will help.. the number one reason MPB is accelerated is due to elevated levels of DHT...

MPB is caused by shrinkage of Hair follicles that eventually sufficate or kill the follicle (not 100% on this stuff)e... Hieghtened levels of DHT will aggrivate the shrinkage of the Hair Follica and speed the death of your hair.

By taking substances that reduce DHT, specially DHT on the scalp... you will help stop the shrinkage of Follicles

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Finisteride can also help at 5mg a day.

[ryanbodybuilder]

topicals are best bro....minoxidil/alezaic acid/spirolactone and even topical finasteride....you can buy the best shiznit at Male Hair Loss Treatment

[roehrigs01]

off note: this is something I never want to deal with due a supplement causing it...

What you taking that is doing this?

[Cammo]

Originally Posted by ryanbodybuilder

topicals are best bro....minoxidil/alezaic acid/spirolactone and even topical finasteride....you can buy the best shiznit at Male Hair Loss Treatment

Propecia is finasteride isn't it?

[surferph34]

Originally Posted by Cammo

Propecia is finasteride isn't it?

Yes Cammo your right, its one and the same.

However Poobah your dosage is too high. Its should be 1.25mg ED (or the 5mg tablet split in four.)


In answer to the original question, this is an area I have researched heavily.

Men that loose hair through AAS use usually have an underlying predisposition for a by-product of the male hormone testosterone, which is DiHydroTestosterone (DHT) to reside in the scalp.

Heres the interesting part, all hair follicles grow through a growth-dormant-regrowth cycle. Unfortunately though when you’re on cycle you’re the follicle is put into a permanent dormancy.

When DHT is present in the scalp at high levels, induced by AAS use the follicle atrophies due to the excess DHT. Each follicle produces hair for shorter periods and “rests” for longer periods, until it finally goes into permanent dormancy and ceases to produce hair and the current ones fall out.

Also, interestingly, the DHT only seems to affect the hair follicles on top of the scalp. While DHT is present in the entire scalp, the hair follicles that reside on the sides and back of the head resist its deleterious effects.

Finastride prevents the conversion to DHT.

However Finastride does not have the desired effect on all AAS.

It you are prone to MPB and are overly concerned, d-bol among others is perhaps not the best choice as its likely to be fairly detrimental to the hairline irrespective of dihydro conversion anyway.

Surfer

[Cammo]

Anyone considering Propecia or a similar Finasteride product should get their prostate checked out before starting.

Finasteride is used to help prostate problems & if you have a problem you don't know about and start using Finasteride, it will be undetectable.

(Finasteride was initially a prostate only drug until many of the follically challenged guys taking it noticed their hair growing back - just a useless piece of trivia for you ).

[RRAdam]

Originally Posted by surferph34

Finastride prevents the conversion to DHT.

However Finastride does not have the desired effect on all AAS.

It you are prone to MPB and are overly concerned, d-bol among others is perhaps not the best choice as its likely to be fairly detrimental to the hairline irrespective of dihydro conversion anyway.

Surfer

To expound on this, finasteride inhibits the 5α reductase enzyme. This prevents hormones in the body from 5α reducing.

So what does this mean?

Most 5α reduced anabolic compounds are more androgenic (and in many cases more anabolic) than their non 5α reduced counterparts. If you understand the basics of how mpb works, then you know that testosterone 5α reduces to dht, which is far more androgenic and anabolic than test. Not only that, it has a far higher affinity toward androgen receptors - including those in the scalp.

So why is finasteride not desirable in some situations?

finasteride will do nothing if you are taking a compound that is already 5α reduced. Some of those compounds are:
tren
m1t
primo
winny
superdrol
proviron
anadrol
masteron
1-test

As you can see, there are quite a few.

finasteride would, in theory, help with hair loss related to dbol, only in that it would prevent it from 5α reducing into its stronger target, m1t. Both are rough on the hairline as it is though, so either compound wouldnt be desirable if hair loss was an issue.

There are a couple more notes.

Deca is a special case. Taking finasteride will actually increase the hair loss potential when taken with deca. Although deca is less androgenic than test, its 5α reduced version is actually less anabolic and androgeic. So, taking finasteride with deca, will actually make the deca more efficient.

here are some compounds that are generally weak androgens:
deca
EQ
anavar

Here are some compounds with relation to their 5α reduced form

test>dht (proviron, masteron, superdrol, are very closely related to dht)
EQ>1-test (primo very similar)
dbol>m1t


Hope this helps

[surferph34]

Originally Posted by RRAdam

To expound on this, finasteride inhibits the 5α reductase enzyme. This prevents hormones in the body from 5α reducing.

So what does this mean?

Most 5α reduced anabolic compounds are more androgenic (and in many cases more anabolic) than their non 5α reduced counterparts. If you understand the basics of how mpb works, then you know that testosterone 5α reduces to dht, which is far more androgenic and anabolic than test. Not only that, it has a far higher affinity toward androgen receptors - including those in the scalp.

So why is finasteride not desirable in some situations?

finasteride will do nothing if you are taking a compound that is already 5α reduced. Some of those compounds are:
tren
m1t
primo
winny
superdrol
proviron
anadrol
masteron
1-test

As you can see, there are quite a few.

finasteride would, in theory, help with hair loss related to dbol, only in that it would prevent it from 5α reducing into its stronger target, m1t. Both are rough on the hairline as it is though, so either compound wouldnt be desirable if hair loss was an issue.

There are a couple more notes.

Deca is a special case. Taking finasteride will actually increase the hair loss potential when taken with deca. Although deca is less androgenic than test, its 5α reduced version is actually less anabolic and androgeic. So, taking finasteride with deca, will actually make the deca more efficient.

here are some compounds that are generally weak androgens:
deca
EQ
anavar

Here are some compounds with relation to their 5α reduced form

test>dht (proviron, masteron, superdrol, are very closely related to dht)
EQ>1-test (primo very similar)
dbol>m1t


Hope this helps

That helps sinplify things RAadam.

However with regards to deca lately I have read that Finasteride will have the opposite effect on nandralone analogues. With nandralone converting to DHN, dihydronandralone which is much safer on the hair than nandralone. If you use finasteride with these, theoretically you will prevent them from becoming safe on the hair and in their original forms (nandralone) they are much harder on the hair than even DHT

For these reasons, Finasteride will be counter productive with Deca, and Finaplex (trenbelone). These are the safest on the hair as long as you don't use Finasteride with them.

But... Yes DHN is milder, but I from what Ive read I disagree that nandrolone is a stronger activator of the androgen receptor in scalp and prostate tissues than DHT.

DHN is milder than nandrolone in this respect, but nandrolone itself is not particularly harsh.

With regards to Tren, Tren is a particularly strong androgen and you can expect high incidences of androgenic sides from the parent hormone. I will post more details later if I can find them again but I understand tren is unaffected by 5-ar (thus finasteride neutral).

Surfer

[RRAdam]

Originally Posted by surferph34

That helps sinplify things RAadam.

However with regards to deca lately I have read that Finasteride will have the opposite effect on nandralone analogues. With nandralone converting to DHN, dihydronandralone which is much safer on the hair than nandralone. If you use finasteride with these, theoretically you will prevent them from becoming safe on the hair and in their original forms (nandralone) they are much harder on the hair than even DHT

For these reasons, Finasteride will be counter productive with Deca, and Finaplex (trenbelone). These are the safest on the hair as long as you don't use Finasteride with them.

But... Yes DHN is milder, but I from what Ive read I disagree that nandrolone is a stronger activator of the androgen receptor in scalp and prostate tissues than DHT.

DHN is milder than nandrolone in this respect, but nandrolone itself is not particularly harsh.

With regards to Tren, Tren is a particularly strong androgen and you can expect high incidences of androgenic sides from the parent hormone. I will post more details later if I can find them again but I understand tren is unaffected by 5-ar (thus finasteride neutral).

Surfer

Sorry if I was confusing, I didnt mean to say nandrolone was a stronger androgen than test, only stronger than its DHN (which is why I put deca in my list of week androgens).

Also you are correct about tren. It is already 5α reduced, this renders finasteride ineffective with tren itself, since it will not interact with the 5α reductase enzyme in any way, no matter the serum concentration.