dbol gains solid????

[drugsarebad...hummmkayy]

ORIGINALY POSTED BY TRIBAL... in the steroid profiles.

Doses: 5-10 tablets a day (5 mg tablets)
Side effects: Medium
Strength & Mass gains: Good and quite solid!
Stack: Great for mass in combination with any test, D-bols, EQ
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from what everyone says i thought dbol gains were all water and you would deflate like a baloon after-cycle. howcome this says there good mass gains and there solid.
im confused.....

[mitchcumstein]

For many that would be the case. But there are a few ppl who's training and diet are spot on and they stand a better chance of keeping the gains. Dbol only cycles have been around forever. Not the worst you could do, not the best either.

[hrpiii]

they would be when stacked with test & eq. but dbol by itself, not the best by anymeans.

[Poobah]

It depends how you look it and what you consider to be good.

If your new, and not ready to do steroids like most people..

You could honestly gain anywhere from 10-25 pounds on a dbol only cycle... Your cloths will get tight inside of 2 weeks, and you'll be shopping for new close, and thinking your King Big Tits, as you slowly stutter step you way around the Gym floor in a hunched position as your back cryes out in pain due to incredible muscle pumps. (been there, seen the gym floor close and personal more then a few times.)

If your cycle was 4 weeks long...

By week 6 your old clothes will fit again and by week 7 or 8.. you'll be down 8-20 pounds... And if your lucky enough to know how to eat right, through training and again through pct... you may of gained 2-5 pounds... and then again, if you got into this cycle and did what everyone says.. eat eat eat eat, and didn't eat the right things at the right times... there is a good chance that 1-3 of those pounds is fat.

So if you ****ed anything up... You'll be damn lucky to have gains 1-2 pounds at best... but you would of felt like a king for time.

Now.. let me explain the why.

Dbol does something well... and that is greatly increases your strength.

The way it does that is it loads your muscles with water... once that water reaches capacity, the contraction strength of your muscle has been greatly increased due to simple engineering... Essentially your muscle has no slack.. you flex it fires and starts moving.

Dbol is all about water rentention... always has been... Thats what it does.

personnelly I'd never do or recommend a dbol only cycle... If you were to add test to this cycle... Test would of brought real mass to the equation, and dbol would of gave you the strength to not only impress yourself but others. (and sometimes that half the fun in the gym, and keeps you motivated..) but to me that is all dbol and anadrol are.... show boat(as well as strength compeitition) drugs to get the grunting and fullness on quick.. but that's all.

test in.. and over 10-12 weeks gains... could of been 10-25.. but this time, 6-15 could of been keepable when it was all said and done.

[NPayette]

Now let's say that you gained(maintained) close to the optimum level Poobah is talking about 4-5 pound in a 4 week cycle and been able to keep it... Just remember that 4-5 pound in a month IS huge muscle gain... If it could be like that every month we could gain 12x4-5 pound... of muscle...

But has he state it needs knowledgeable dieting and a really good PCT plan.

[Poobah]

Originally Posted by NPayette

Now let's say that you gained(maintained) close to the optimum level Poobah is talking about 4-5 pound in a 4 week cycle and been able to keep it... Just remember that 4-5 pound in a month IS huge muscle gain... If it could be like that every month we could gain 12x4-5 pound... of muscle...

But has he state it needs knowledgeable dieting and a really good PCT plan.

If everything was perfect.. and as I mention this was your first cycle..

The thing with steroid use...

Every pound of unnatural weight you gain makes it harder to gain additional weight in future cycles...

Now I do agree it is possible that a complete newbie with some sound eating and training, can possible gain 4-5 pounds on a run of dbol...

I don't think it's possicle to do it again... maybe 3-4 for a few cycles... and not so long 2-3.. and eventually 2 if your lucky then 1 then 0. And it happens pretty quickly with something like dbol..

Also bear in mind you'll need to take down time to allow your testicular axis to recover.. and most people underestimate this time, with orals.. and from what I have seen... people that think they can cycle 4 weeks on and 4 weeks off with orals.... never fully recover, and with each proceeding pct, you stand a chance to loose more of what you gained... which means you end up going in the whole sooner then later.. On top of this, you'll introduce more and more stress into your overall system, as HDL LDL levels get progressively worse.. which will introduce longer periods of high Cortisol levels which will also aggrivate the decommisioning of muscle tissue... not to mention just down right poor health.

The moral of the story is.. back to back oral cycle of dbol and winstrol, will only get you so far before you reach the point of zero return.. and I don't believe it's all that far. And don't forget about your liver.. Alot of guys are afraid of injecting cause they think it's dangerous or has a stigma, so they go on oral after oral, they get so fed up trying to get to the next level which always seems to evaid them, They start trying to go for too long, or follow up too quick, which is far more dangerous then the injectible testosterone by a long shot. You gota take it all into consideration.

[NPayette]

I wasn't trying to bash your post Poobah.
But sometimes I see people saying that 4-5 pound isn't a lot... But often times the same people take 6 month to put that much weight on.

You are 100% right, Dbol cycle only is not the best but it's not the worst either.

As anything else, at a certain point you will stop making great gain from it unless you add the number of cals it needs to continue gaining.

But on a first cycle let's keep your optimal gain for both.

Dbol only : 2 to 5 pound in 4 week.
Test + Dbol : 6 to 15 pound in 12 week.

That to me seems like the equivalence just that the second cycle is longer.

Anyway great read Poobah.

Thanks

[NPayette]

And yeah on the health part, Oral are ****

[Poobah]

yea well in either case...

I think the thing alot of people think is you can gain 10 pounds each cycle... (quick math)... 5 years you'll be 350 pounds 3% body fat..

It just doesn't happen like that..

Very quickly, you'll find that keeping just 5 pounds off a very intensive injectible cycle can be quite the challenge...

The early cycles are the fun ones.. and where the most poundage will always be gained.

P.s. on that 3-5 pound gain... if you do eat right through cycle and pct.. 1-2 pounds will be likely be fat, cause dbol typically ain't a cutting cycle, but a bulking one. so 2-3 pounds is more likely a best senario gain.

[ryanbodybuilder]

nothing wrong with running dbol at say 10,15,or 20 mg a day to take advantage of the anabolic effectiveness...the higher you go with dbol the more water you put on and the more your back is going to fricking kill buddy!

[rckpytn]

yeah dbol doesnt do much for me, i took 100mg ED for a few days and it ws awesome, but 50mg just didnt do **** for me. this was when i was at my biggest i was on dbol test and tren. anadrol is 10x better IMO