RPN's HAVOC

[jament]

**HAVOC** I've been lifting weights all my life off and on. Over the past year I don't really know how it happened but I went absolutly nuts with eating healthy, sleeping good and killing the weights 6 times a week. I double up 2 days a week so I have 3 full days off. I am 31 now and stand 5'8. When I started weight training seriously in Feb 2007 I weighed in at 170 with a decent frame. My weight shot to 190 by Novemeber 2007 and I have to say it was nearly all rock hard muscule. Then the barrier struck it took me until mid January to get to 195 and that was iffy, it depended on if I weight myself after I ate or not. Then in early Feb (last month) I started taking **HAVOC** and I can say the results are so crazy. As of today, after working out at LA Fittness tonight, I am at 202lbs and rock solid for the most part. I dont look like Iam about to tip over or have small man's syndorme. I am 100% proportionate, lean, dense, non bloated. Honestly, I am very statified. Is **HAVOC** really a steriod or not? Is it getting ready to get banned? Does anyone know? For the first time in my life I am worried I might be getting get too big. Sounds silly I know but I am serious. This stuff is amazing! I am not promoting the stuff and could care less who uses it but I just want to know if my results are typical? Again, I get absolutly insane with my weight traning and know that has alot to do with it but I think I might be on roids my friends and need to double check with some of you. Any thoughts?

[dods]

troll?

[jlozan84]

yes, its a steroid.

[joemomma]

Havoc is considered a "designer" steroid. No, it's not getting banned, but per the RPN forums, they are discontinuing it. Not enough profit in it.
The stuff is real, training and eating right while on will gain you a solid 10 pounds or so and some nice strength. The strength, and some of the weight, will go once you get off. You will need a proper PCT for this, the over the counter stuff won't cut it. It isn't going to make you rage though...

[lee thompson]

you only live once? your probably dead by now.

[bb4uTaylor]

im eighteen and ive been bodybuilding for a couple years now. Im 5'7 180 lbs and bench about 300lbs. I know this kid who started the thread is older than me and shouldnt use this product because hes obviously an idiot. But i'm more educated and experienced than him and i know how to take this product properly with advice from a guy i work with whos a personal trainer. I believe i may start this product soon and dont think it will harm my body if taken correctly. I plan to take it for 30 days taking 10mg the first 5 days, 20 the second 5, 30 the next ten, then 20 for five, then 10 for five along with saw palmetto and milk thistle. followed by a PCT. any thoughts?

[joemomma]

No reason to ask the same thing in multiple posts, chief. See my response in your other thread....

[polishprince1989]

Originally Posted by yaboyjjones

You're an idiot.
You're going to get gyno, get bald, have no balls, stupid acne everywhere, and **** your liver up just to name a few.
Do me a favor and go **** yourself.

I ran a cycle starting about my 19th birthday. started with halodrol and methyl 1-d then I ordered 2 bottles of Havoc. took double the dosage, 6 pills a day until they were gone. All I did was eat like a horse lots of protein and such, took some 6 oxo but only for like a week after I stopped because the 6 oxo made me break out. Had no side effects from hittin the Havoc hard, no small balls, no gyno, no acne, no balding... probably a fvcked up liver cuz i was working at a bar and drinking a lot... but never had jaundice or anything so must not have been that bad. The gains are good but not THAT good.

[polishprince1989]

Originally Posted by yaboyjjones

You're an idiot.
You're going to get gyno, get bald, have no balls, stupid acne everywhere, and **** your liver up just to name a few.
Do me a favor and go **** yourself.

You probably won't get gyno, or go bald, or lose your balls and get acne... but it is hard on your liver and you should be smart about it.

I have used Havoc at double the dose and had no side effects. My advice though, just stick natural. The gains aren't so sweet that it is worth taking the risk. I'm sure it was hard on my liver and probably not the best decision ever. Just lift hard and eat a ton...

[waynaferd]

EDIT: I sound like a broken record.......nevermind......

[ccap1611]

i took havoc and im 19. i had zero side effects and it worked great. As long as you dont drink a lot and wat healthy along with taking vitamins youre going to be fine. I also used a pct and took milk thistle just to be safe. Other than that dont freak out.

[dazza n17]

young men under 21 are basically abused by society for trying to be like there sporting and film heros ,who for the most part are at least 25 to 35 dependant on which sport /film.

what they dont realise is that these heros have a large amount of a life giving substance called experience .

when your an old fcker like me who has seen it all ,got the tee shirt and eaten the burger. you realise your health comes first

Havoc is toxic to your liver

no ifs no buts its toxic ,IT HAS TO BE .......... its chemical make up is designed to be. so it isnt destroyed by the liver when you take it.

younge guys who take TWICE DOSE LEVELS are expecting to get TWICE AS BIG........... simple as. no excuses just i wanna be bigger than you and will do it quicker.

well done boys !!!! did any of you have blood work done after??? doubt it coz your too **** scared to tell the doc why you want blood work done.


I myself have run 2 havoc only cycles with liver longer and full pct gained 6lb of solid mass each time and leaned out well. taking twice the dose would NOT have made me gain 12lb each time but rather

1 made my joints dry
2 made me have acne
3 given me back pumps.
4 screwed my liver big time
5 made me feel unwell so i cant train
6 waisted my money.



do you think rpn would recommend 30mg pd when 60 would make you huge.

oh to be 19 again and stupid

here endith the lesson

[BUFFLURP]

Originally Posted by ccap1611

i took havoc and im 19. i had zero side effects and it worked great. As long as you dont drink a lot and wat healthy along with taking vitamins youre going to be fine. I also used a pct and took milk thistle just to be safe. Other than that dont freak out.

Anyone under 21 taking steroids is reatrded. Period. Don't do it. Bad idea.

[Dad]

Guys… first off thanks for helping me not make a huge mistake.
My son will turn 17 next month and is a high school football player in a serious program here in Ohio. He has asked me to purchase Havoc so that he can maximize his gains over their summer workout program leading up to his senior year. Being once a serious gym-rat myself as well as a concerned dad I decided to research the product before ordering it which lead me to this forum. The comments I found here as well as a couple other sites have convinced me to tell him no. Several of his friends have begun taking Havoc and are experiencing in my son's words, huge gains in strength and mass. What if anything would you recommend he try in the way of supplements. He is currently using Creatine and Whey Protein. His goal is to increase his strength, size, and quickness. He is 5'11", 230 lbs., and his max bench is currently 270. Thanks again…

[kovalaybolt17]

Originally Posted by Dad

Guys… first off thanks for helping me not make a huge mistake.
My son will turn 17 next month and is a high school football player in a serious program here in Ohio. He has asked me to purchase Havoc so that he can maximize his gains over their summer workout program leading up to his senior year. Being once a serious gym-rat myself as well as a concerned dad I decided to research the product before ordering it which lead me to this forum. The comments I found here as well as a couple other sites have convinced me to tell him no. Several of his friends have begun taking Havoc and are experiencing in my son's words, huge gains in strength and mass. What if anything would you recommend he try in the way of supplements. He is currently using Creatine and Whey Protein. His goal is to increase his strength, size, and quickness. He is 5'11", 230 lbs., and his max bench is currently 270. Thanks again…

not much worth taking besides whey, creatine, and a multi vitamin. explosive movements like bench press, squats, dead lifts, seated press, bb rows, t-bar rows, clean and jerks, power cleans etc... complimented by plyrometrics would be his best bet... his 17 year old friends are all taking steroids?

[dazza n17]

at 17 your son is full of steroids that his own body manufactures its called testosterone and hes is crammed to the rafters with it , if he wants mass then he needs to:

eat often and good
train hard
recover properly
sleep well
and keep the tape measure handy to log all the gains.

job done

And stay off the gear until hes has stopped growing 21 at minimum.

[JKEYR]

Hey guys, I am 21 years old and weigh around 165 at a height of 6"1 and am thinking of taking Havoc as well. I workout everyday using the P90X videos. Is this a good idea to take this stuff?

[mazda_boy]

i am 19 and i know i am too young for havoc but... if i just make one cycle with cycle support and pct... it gonna really destroy my life for just ONE cycle?... i know it is really a bad idea but i think it's not worse then take 6 beer a day (like my friends) loll or take Chemical drugs. for me i don't take any drugs and no alchool. i know i will have side effect but for only ONE cycle... i will really have side effect for the rest of my life ?!!!

[JayFive]

Originally Posted by mazda_boy

i am 19 and i know i am too young for havoc but... if i just make one cycle with cycle support and pct... it gonna really destroy my life for just ONE cycle?... i know it is really a bad idea but i think it's not worse then take 6 beer a day (like my friends) loll or take Chemical drugs. for me i don't take any drugs and no alchool. i know i will have side effect but for only ONE cycle... i will really have side effect for the rest of my life ?!!!

Possibly. You should browse the forums here for more info first.

[mitchcumstein]

Originally Posted by mazda_boy

i am 19 and i know i am too young for havoc but... if i just make one cycle with cycle support and pct... it gonna really destroy my life for just ONE cycle?... i know it is really a bad idea but i think it's not worse then take 6 beer a day (like my friends) loll or take Chemical drugs. for me i don't take any drugs and no alchool. i know i will have side effect but for only ONE cycle... i will really have side effect for the rest of my life ?!!!

Its potentially much worse than drinking 6 beers a day. The beers dont have the potential to crash your endocrine system, the havoc does. Do you want to have to go to the doctor and get a shot of testosterone once a week for the rest of your life because you simply had to run a cycle of havoc as a teenager? Becuase it could happen, ive seen it happen. Its not worth it, especially when you consider you likely dont have the training knowledge to even manage the 5lbs of muscle you may put on from the cycle, itll be gone in a few months. Save it till your much older.