Opinions for a Newbie!

[Quality^Quantity]

Hey folks, i'm here to ask your opinions on a cycle (or 2) i'm interested in taking. I value any and all opinions, advice or suggestions!

First, i'm 28 yrs old and have been training since i was 18(the first 4 years seriously!) I'm 6' 3" and weigh 230 Lbs with approx. 10% body fat and i have a diet planned for me by a certified sport nutrionalist. My goal is to put on QUALITY muscle to make me look my actual weight.. to see me you'd guess 190, even my doctor does a double take on the scale.

Long story short, i've been told i can put on atleast 60-70 lbs and still look good( if done right) and not adversely effect my health(i.e breathing, range of motion.. basically not look stupid)

Okay, so this is what i have researched and been told so far,

12 week cycle of Test. CYP or ENTH around 5-600 mg/wk
12 weeks EQ around 4-600 mg/wk
first 4-5 weeks 40-50 mg/day D-Bol for the "KICK"
and 12 weeks Vitamin B-6 200mg/day!

Straight shooting, no pyramid crap, also to have Nolvadex on hand(20mg/day) if any gyno symptoms arise, or 50mg/day of Proviron from the start to stop all aromtaising anyway and it makes test. much better and your gains harder and more dense.. i like that!

Than 2 weeks after my last injection i can follow with the 3 week Clomid therapy and 20mg/day Nolvadex(more effective than Clomid on a MG/MG basis) with 10mg/day D-bol to maintain gains even better while my system turns back on!

Your head's probably spinning cause mine is. This actually will be my 2nd cycle as i've been told to do a 10 week Test CYP @ 400mg/wk with 10 mg/day for 4 weeks of D-bol as my first cycle. I like to plan ahead and take as much guess work out of it as possible!

Now that everyone hates me for making them read... i look forward to some opinions and help! THANKS!

[RRAdam]

So you plan on running dbol for pct?

[Traps]

Originally Posted by RRAdam

So you plan on running dbol for pct?

I didnt really understand that either. Perhaps m1t might be a better choice(just kidding)

[hrpiii]

nope, you can do the dbol for pct. about 10 mg in the morning only. I wouldn't push this past two wks though. A good PCT & diet will help you maintain those goals, while your body is 're-adjusting' itself.

The dbol will keep the water on you, and I would recommend a better AI, but maybe keep the proviron. I would run both at 500 mg. More is only going to get you more sides.

When was your first cycle? How does your bloodwork look now, is your body returned to normal to begin another cycle?

[Quality^Quantity]

Yeah i know it sounds weird running D-Bol in my PCT but every serious bodybuilder i've spoken with has said it was a good idea, almost a must!

Thanks hrpiii, running the 500mg seems to be the best option as most people have told me 4-600 mg, might as well split the difference... it's gonna work anyway! You say to run the D-bol for 2 wks only @ 10mg/day right? What would you suggest as a better AI?

I haven't done a cycle since i experimented 3 years ago so i think i'm clean but i do have blood work coming to make sure.

Thanks people keep the info coming, the more the merrier!

[hrpiii]

Yes, 10 mg a day, morning only.

I suggest AIFM or arimidex.

AIFM https://www.anafit.com/shop/ all the real bodybuilders are using it

Great stuff!! You would apply 2 pumps in the morning, 2 in the evening. If you want more info on this, I can PM you. 1 pump ED during PCT (1 pump EOD off cycle to keep test levels high)

[Quality^Quantity]

That sounds good, i unfortuneately live in Canada so i'll have to try and find that AIFM stuff here, but if not i know i can get Arimidex!

I've read that you shouldn't take the stuff like Nolvadex right from the start because it will reduce the effect's of the test and to keep it just on hand taking it only when u notice gyno type symptoms and for a few days after the symptoms disappear!

What's the best way to use a Nolvadex/Arimidex/AIFM everyday from the start or only when needed? Also is it necessary to use Clomids if the Nolvadex is so much more potent in a PCT?

[hrpiii]

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Only take Nolva if needed during cycle. Won't hamper gain, but no need to take if it's not needed.

Use the AI from the beginning to help keep the bloat down and estrog. in check.

Don't think Nolva is any more potent than Clomid. Lately, it's a greater swing to using Clomid only in PCT (I've always used both, but have cut back the dosage since adding in AIFM). Search on these, on this site will get you all the answers on this.

Why run d-bol pct? It'll just keep you suppressed. Being off is off, no bridging. Just start your PCT. Just my opinion.

[RRAdam]

Originally Posted by Quality^Quantity

Yeah i know it sounds weird running D-Bol in my PCT but every serious bodybuilder i've spoken with has said it was a good idea, almost a must!

Thanks hrpiii, running the 500mg seems to be the best option as most people have told me 4-600 mg, might as well split the difference... it's gonna work anyway! You say to run the D-bol for 2 wks only @ 10mg/day right? What would you suggest as a better AI?

I haven't done a cycle since i experimented 3 years ago so i think i'm clean but i do have blood work coming to make sure.

Thanks people keep the info coming, the more the merrier!

under no circumstance should you run dbol for pct, it defeats the purpose of pct.

[Traps]

Originally Posted by LiLSaVaGe

Why run d-bol pct? It'll just keep you suppressed. Being off is off, no bridging. Just start your PCT. Just my opinion.

Originally Posted by RRAdam

under no circumstance should you run dbol for pct, it defeats the purpose of pct.

What LiLSaVaGe said. I just didnt wanna make the comment cuz i'm no expert. RRAdam knows his sh*t pretty good too.

Hrpiii, why do you suggest dbol?

[Quality^Quantity]

Thanks alot guys, this info from real people is of great help! I just wanna do it right and as safe as possible.

I read taking D-bol during PCT from another steroid website i'll try to find the link again and i'll post it!

Any other opinions or suggestions are always welcome!

Has anybody out there had first hand experience with EQ and test CYP/ENTH? What was it like and did you notice a major difference in the quality of muscle you gained and how much or how long a cycle?

[Traps]

Originally Posted by Quality^Quantity

I read taking D-bol during PCT from another steroid website i'll try to find the link again and i'll post it!

Yeah man, find the link. I'm curious.

[Quality^Quantity]

Ok guys, while this isn't the page i first read it on..

Dianabol Anabolic Steroid*Profiles - Steroid . com

I don't know how old this info is thats why i brought it up here but read the Dianabol Cycles paragraph 2 it mentions D-Bol with your PCT and why!

I'll try to find the other link but no promises! Maybe i just mis read it!

[Traps]

I guess I can see the reasoning behind it. Because your natty test levels are still low, the dose of dbol will not raise it beyond normal limits, thus as the pct brings your natty test levels up, you drop the dbol to prevent going over normal limits.

I know what I typed made no sense but I get the idea.....Maybe rradam could respond with what he thinks about that.

[RRAdam]

Originally Posted by Traps

I guess I can see the reasoning behind it. Because your natty test levels are still low, the dose of dbol will not raise it beyond normal limits, thus as the pct brings your natty test levels up, you drop the dbol to prevent going over normal limits.

I know what I typed made no sense but I get the idea.....Maybe rradam could respond with what he thinks about that.

Haha, Ill learn ya yet traps... different compounds have different effects on the hpta. The goal of pct is to bring endogenous levels of testosterone back to normal AS FAST AS POSSIBLE... taking an exogenous hormone will only hinder this process... I can elaborate on this later, but I am a bit tired....

people bridge w/ dbol when they are waiting to start their pct protocal.

For example EQ takes 18 days to get out, being that dbol gets in and out really fast, a person will take dbol for 18 days after their last inject of EQ.
On the 18th day you start your pct...imo....overkill!!!

[1/2 Breed]

You can ask 100 questions and get 100 different replys but what I've learned is that YOU should be the guinea pig for YOU. Take into considerations the advice of others because they've seen more than you but ultimately make your decision and roll with it. I'm a fan of D BOl for PCT for ME but I have people who absolutely can't handle it post cycle. As odd as it sounds check your sack, not your actual testicles, and if you have serious shrinkage you might not want to do it but if your sack is still realtively the same size give it a run and see what happens.

[hrpiii]

Originally Posted by RRAdam

Haha, Ill learn ya yet traps... different compounds have different effects on the hpta. The goal of pct is to bring endogenous levels of testosterone back to normal AS FAST AS POSSIBLE... taking an exogenous hormone will only hinder this process... I can elaborate on this later, but I am a bit tired....

The dbol in the morning is from ol' school guys who used to run long oral cycles, but with small doses. Where they would pyramid up, and pyramid down. Is this method the best, probably not, but could depend on the person and the cycle. But like you stated, PCT is designed to help get you back as fast as possible, and if you are taking the dbol in the am, you are slowing this speedy recover.... some. This is where you here of people saying that Arnold took it like candy. These guys would take 10mg a day for 60 days then jump into a heavy cycle.

Can you do it, yes .. is it preferred.. that is up to the knowledgable individual that knows WTF they are doing.