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[boney]

hoe does this sound for the above cycle?


5 days previous to the cycle: fish oil
milk thistle 700mg
red rice 2400mg


week 1: 300 1-ad / 4-ad 600

week 2: 300 1-ad / 4-ad 600

week3: 300 1-ad / 4-ad 600

week4: 300 1-ad / 4-ad 600

week5: 300 1-ad / 4-ad 600

week6: 300 1-ad / 4-ad 600 nolvadex 40 split 20/20

week7: nolva 40 split 20/20

week8: nolva 20 spilt 10/10

week9: nolva 20 split 10/10



might even chuck in some arimedix for bloat

[hrpiii]

got your bloodwork done yet? You will need something for the bloat, and if you want to keep your hair.

[boney]

lol i was going to use arimedix for the bloat! what would you recommed?

no bloodwork done yet

[Chauncey11]

I would add more 1ad. start the 1st two weeks with 300 and then move up to 600. At the same time bump up the 4ad to 1200.

[boney]

Originally Posted by Chauncey11

I would add more 1ad. start the 1st two weeks with 300 and then move up to 600. At the same time bump up the 4ad to 1200.

i was thinking about that but as its my first cycle i was thinking of getting this cycle under my belt first then maybe next time up the dosage.

[hrpiii]

how about a little background.. age, lifting experience, weight....

600 is too much for your first go around.

[boney]

height: 5'10
weight: 185
lifting: 2 years
age: 25

i know what your gona say 2 years is not enough lifting experiance

[NPayette]

Originally Posted by boney

height: 5'10
weight: 185
lifting: 2 years
age: 25

i know what your gona say 2 years is not enough lifting experiance

5 10', 185, you are pretty smalll.... How much bf?

[boney]

pretty low i always stay pretty lean even when bulking i try to clean bulk, id say about 10-14bf

[jlozan84]

What are your big 3?

[boney]

Originally Posted by jlozan84

What are your big 3?

i cant see what relavance heavy lifts has to do with wether a cycle should be carried out or not. i could be 165lbs and bench 300 that doesnt mean that i would be ready for a cycle.

my cycle will prop be around april time so i still have 6 months of clean bulking before my cycle starts

[jlozan84]

Originally Posted by boney

i cant see what relavance heavy lifts has to do with wether a cycle should be carried out or not. i could be 165lbs and bench 300 that doesnt mean that i would be ready for a cycle.

my cycle will prop be around april time so i still have 6 months of clean bulking before my cycle starts

LMAO! My bad, you are right - seeing strength progression isn't a good way to determine if your training and nutrition is sound.........what the f*ck what I thinking?

/sarcasm

[boney]

Originally Posted by jlozan84

LMAO! My bad, you are right - seeing strength progression isn't a good way to determine if your training and nutrition is sound.........what the f*ck what I thinking?

/sarcasm

so tellin you i can bench 300lb is a good sign of my strength progression? not sure how that would work seeing you dont know what i started at!

if you wanted to know if my training and nutrition is sound then ask me!

so back to my original question how does the cycle look?

[NPayette]

Originally Posted by boney

so tellin you i can bench 300lb is a good sign of my strength progression? not sure how that would work seeing you dont know what i started at!

if you wanted to know if my training and nutrition is sound then ask me!

so back to my original question how does the cycle look?

So you know, the most knowledgable member of this board will all ask you the same set of question if this is the kind of answer you give to those more knowledgable guy, you'll end up with nothing at all.

Give us your big 3.
Your diet.
Your cycle goal, why do you want to cycle?
Training right now looking like what?

if people ask you question is to better answer your question.

[jlozan84]

Originally Posted by boney

so tellin you i can bench 300lb is a good sign of my strength progression? not sure how that would work seeing you dont know what i started at!

if you wanted to know if my training and nutrition is sound then ask me!

so back to my original question how does the cycle look?

LOL - homie chill out. Point I was trying to make was that if you can't get above 185 natty, how are drugs going to help you? There is obviously another underlying issue (diet/training/both) that you don't know about or are two lazy/ignorant to fix.

Either way, I have no comments on your cycle - good luck with whatever you choose.

[boney]

Originally Posted by NPayette

So you know, the most knowledgable member of this board will all ask you the same set of question if this is the kind of answer you give to those more knowledgable guy, you'll end up with nothing at all.

Give us your big 3.
Your diet.
Your cycle goal, why do you want to cycle?
Training right now looking like what?

if people ask you question is to better answer your question.

good point. im not turning this into a slagging match all i asked was for the cycle to be looked at.

my big 3


bench 110kg
squat 80kg slight knee injury still
deadlift 90kg

diet: 3500 calories a day consisting of weight gainer, chicken breast, tuna, whomeal bread, milk lots of milk, rice, pasta. thats pretty much my basic make up of my diet with a few vegies.

training: 3 day split

chest/delts

legs/back

biceps/triceps/ abs

[boney]

Originally Posted by jlozan84

LOL - homie chill out. Point I was trying to make was that if you can't get above 185 natty, how are drugs going to help you? There is obviously another underlying issue (diet/training/both) that you don't know about or are two lazy/ignorant to fix.

Either way, I have no comments on your cycle - good luck with whatever you choose.

i apoligise for my rudeness

[jlozan84]

Thanks for the apology, I feel better now - will you hold me? lol - dude, you don't need to f*cking apologize.......

If you are seriously getting in a min. of 3500 cals a day, then the issue is probably your training. And that shows with your strength (not trying to insult you here).

I would recommend you start a log and post your entire routine (sets/reps/weights included) in the diary section. You will get some help there........I have comments about what you put above for your training, but would like to see it all out there plus this is the phoromone section.

The other dudes can comment on the 1-ad/4-ad.......that isn't my thing.

[NPayette]

Originally Posted by boney

good point. im not turning this into a slagging match all i asked was for the cycle to be looked at.

my big 3


bench 110kg
squat 80kg slight knee injury still
deadlift 90kg

diet: 3500 calories a day consisting of weight gainer, chicken breast, tuna, whomeal bread, milk lots of milk, rice, pasta. thats pretty much my basic make up of my diet with a few vegies.

training: 3 day split

chest/delts

legs/back

biceps/triceps/ abs

You bench more then you deadlift and squat????????

That's kinda weird. Hehe...

[boney]

no i do need to apoligise it was a idiotic response.

thankyou for your help i will attempt to post my routine in detail.

for those of you that do know about prohormones what does the cycle how does the cycle look