PCT.... nolva? clomid? arimidex??

[gruntjc]

hi guys,

i am running a cycle of test-e @ 250mg/week for about 8-10 weeks (it is my first cycle and i'm being a little cautious).

i am onto week 3 of my shots, and i have to admit, it took me a little while to settle on 250mg/week (ie. i've taken a shot of 0.75ml, one of 0.5ml and one of 1ml in the last 2 weeks... my bad.. stupid, i know).

so far, i have only seen a minor drop in the size of my testicles. i cant imagine that there would be a massive drop in the size of my 'boys' at such a low dose... but, you never know.

so can someone tell me...... in terms of PCT, i have clomid, nolva and arimidex. i've read some horror stories about clomid but then some people say that it works, and works well.

one guy suggested using both clomid AND nolva.

so.. what gives??? can those of you who have had experience in this field, please make a suggestion.

i have everything for PCT, however i havent sorted out what to take and the appropriate quantities.

thanks in advance... your advice is greatly appreciated.

[Twitch]

honestly i use all 3 during pct.
but the nolvadex and adex/ldex are all the way through cycle and pct.. but anyway,not to confuse you...

both clomid and nolvadex is a good choice for pct imo..
100mg clomid and 20mg nolvadex ed for 30 days is what i go with.. dont have the problems with the 100mg of clomid as i did when i use to go with the 300/100/50 protocol awhile back.the 300mg the first day was rough.
also take the meds at night before bed


peace

[Patrick_Bateman]

I am becoming a not so big fan of PCT for short low dose cycles. I run my cycles at 6-8 weeks and have stopped doing PCT as of my last 2 cycles. I will still run 2 weeks of nolva at 40mg ED starting 12 days after my last shot, but that is a very short PCT cycle.

[Patrick_Bateman]

My old PCT was Nolvadex only at

week 1. 40mg ED
week 2 .40mg ED
week 3. 40mg ED
week 4. 20mg ED

[B4n3 0n3]

Originally Posted by Patrick_Bateman

I am becoming a not so big fan of PCT for short low dose cycles. I run my cycles at 6-8 weeks and have stopped doing PCT as of my last 2 cycles. I will still run 2 weeks of nolva at 40mg ED starting 12 days after my last shot, but that is a very short PCT cycle.

This came up on another board I go to and alot of guys were saying they did not do any pct and they kept their gains. Definatley intersing subject matter.

[hrpiii]

yes, and at age 16, you are just playing a game of "I'm lucky now, but when I get older, I'm going to be on HRT the rest of my life, starting at 35". Why not take precautions. Is it worth your body not to do things right. Not doing PCT for any AAS cycle is just brave and putting your body in flux. Is it worth it in the long run? It's your life, not someone else's, so if this is what you want to do, good for you.

Me, I like my body, and want it to last a long time.

[vassille]

Originally Posted by hrpiii

yes, and at age 16, you are just playing a game of "I'm lucky now, but when I get older, I'm going to be on HRT the rest of my life, starting at 35". Why not take precautions. Is it worth your body not to do things right. Not doing PCT for any AAS cycle is just brave and putting your body in flux. Is it worth it in the long run? It's your life, not someone else's, so if this is what you want to do, good for you.

Me, I like my body, and want it to last a long time.

I doubt he is 16

[Patrick_Bateman]

Originally Posted by hrpiii

yes, and at age 16, you are just playing a game of "I'm lucky now, but when I get older, I'm going to be on HRT the rest of my life, starting at 35". Why not take precautions. Is it worth your body not to do things right. Not doing PCT for any AAS cycle is just brave and putting your body in flux. Is it worth it in the long run? It's your life, not someone else's, so if this is what you want to do, good for you.

Me, I like my body, and want it to last a long time.

I'm 37

[B4n3 0n3]

Originally Posted by hrpiii

yes, and at age 16, you are just playing a game of "I'm lucky now, but when I get older, I'm going to be on HRT the rest of my life, starting at 35". Why not take precautions. Is it worth your body not to do things right. Not doing PCT for any AAS cycle is just brave and putting your body in flux. Is it worth it in the long run? It's your life, not someone else's, so if this is what you want to do, good for you.

Me, I like my body, and want it to last a long time.

The board that this came up on was an advanced board with alot of pro bbers on it so it wasn't some young n00bs saying they don't believe in pct it was experienced pros.

[vassille]

Honestly taking advice from pro-bodybuilders is kind of taking it at your own risk. Some of these guys do not come off gear for up to 3 years in some cases. They are pushing the limits as well with dosages and weights. It is proven in studies that PCT is required and helps greatly with recovering do not kid yourself. You might not need PCT for a short cycle like 3-4 weeks maybe 6 weeks at the most but IMO just do PCT regardless

[surferph34]

I posted this before but theres no point rewriting it:

You could argue the Clomid Vs Nolva debate all day as there are various articles which support both in terms of which is better in terms of PCT.

In contrast to Vassille I would personally include BOTH meds in PCT even though Clomid and Nolvadex are both anti-estrogens and can be used individually for PCT for various reasons however T, Nolva on its own is fine, no doubt about that.

Why would I include both? Basically the different research articles and user feedback leads me to believe that it is not PCT overkill, but rather Nolva is better for combating estrogen rebound whereas Clomid is better for stimulating endogenous testosterone production after cycle.

Nolva is strongly anti-estrogenic at both the hypothalamus and pituitary, which is in contrast to Clomid, which although a strong anti-estrogen at the hypothalamus, seems to exhibit weak estrogenic activity at the pituitary. Making Nolva a better choice for PCT in terms of combating estrogen rebound and probably why most choose Nolvadex to combat gynecomastia over Clomid despite both drugs being effective anti-estrogens for the prevention of gyno.

However this does not help to increase endogenous testosterone release, and it is for this purpose that most you might tend to incorporate clomid, as this is "supposedly" and I say supposedly as I have read a few articles lately which state that Nolva should actually be the preferred choice, as it is the better of the two meds for stimulating endogenous testosterone.

So even though drugs are effective anti-estrogens for the prevention of gyno and for aiding the elevation of endogenous testosterone, I would incorporate both as a "Perfect PCT" in aiding a fast recovery to a healthy natural testosterone level.

Arimidex (Anastrozole)

Surfer

[vassille]

Originally Posted by surferph34

I posted this before but theres no point rewriting it:



Surfer

very good surf!

Originally Posted by gruntjc

hi guys,

i am running a cycle of test-e @ 250mg/week for about 8-10 weeks (it is my first cycle and i'm being a little cautious).

i am onto week 3 of my shots, and i have to admit, it took me a little while to settle on 250mg/week (ie. i've taken a shot of 0.75ml, one of 0.5ml and one of 1ml in the last 2 weeks... my bad.. stupid, i know).

so far, i have only seen a minor drop in the size of my testicles. i cant imagine that there would be a massive drop in the size of my 'boys' at such a low dose... but, you never know.

so can someone tell me...... in terms of PCT, i have clomid, nolva and arimidex. i've read some horror stories about clomid but then some people say that it works, and works well.

one guy suggested using both clomid AND nolva.

so.. what gives??? can those of you who have had experience in this field, please make a suggestion.

i have everything for PCT, however i havent sorted out what to take and the appropriate quantities.

thanks in advance... your advice is greatly appreciated.

Clomid and nolva for pct, I am just wondering why only 250mg/wk, I think it is waste..imo.

[TheNextLevel]

why even start a cycle before you know how to do it (including pct)?