My 1st cycle - Advise please

[subcool]

Hello lads, well im 25 been training for just over 18months and its cycle time
i have thought about it alot and it is time, im here for advise from you all

i plan on running Test Iranian @ 500mg a wk for 12wk's

for PCT im using Novla & Clomid

any advise please people?

oww, i have my test and pct all here ready, i just need to know what pinz to get 20G to withdraw and 22G to inject? is this right?

[czymex]

Originally Posted by subcool

Hello lads, well im 25 been training for just over 18months and its cycle time
i have thought about it alot and it is time, im here for advise from you all

i plan on running Test Iranian @ 500mg a wk for 12wk's

for PCT im using Novla & Clomid

any advise please people?

oww, i have my test and pct all here ready, i just need to know what pinz to get 20G to withdraw and 22G to inject? is this right?

Is 18 months your total training experince, cause if so I would wait a couple of years till you reach your genetic max. You should have a minimum of 4 years of training under your belt.

What are your stats?

[mitchcumstein]

Id wait too. but if youre gonna go ahead and do it, cut the dose way back. That iranian test is stronger than the label says. i think it tests out at 333mg/ml which means youd be taking 666mg/ml a week. Thats way to much for a first cycle. Just take half(one ampuole) a week. As for the pinz, you can draw and inject with a 22ga just fine. In fact, you can do both with a 28g if you wanna to delt injections.

[subcool]

Originally Posted by mitchcumstein

Id wait too. but if youre gonna go ahead and do it, cut the dose way back. That iranian test is stronger than the label says. i think it tests out at 333mg/ml which means youd be taking 666mg/ml a week. Thats way to much for a first cycle. Just take half(one ampuole) a week. As for the pinz, you can draw and inject with a 22ga just fine. In fact, you can do both with a 28g if you wanna to delt injections.

thanks for the advise, i will just use 22G pinz and inject in my Glute.. what gains should i expect 1st cycle? my diet will be spot on, im 6ft6 and 17stone atm about 22% bf my aim is cut bf down and bulk more muslce

[jlozan84]

Personally, I would like to hear your reasoning for feeling the need to jump into this so soon, when you have only trained for 1.5 yrs.

[subcool]

Originally Posted by jlozan84

Personally, I would like to hear your reasoning for feeling the need to jump into this so soon, when you have only trained for 1.5 yrs.

well ill expain abit then, since ive been trainging ive enjoyed watching my body grow and addapt and seein my gains, but now i want more and dont want to wait the time and alot of my freinds cycle and ive always said no so after 8months they stoped asking did i wanna cycle, so its not down to pressure its down to what i want now, and that is to start a cycle, ive looked into what cycle to do, even thought about a oral cycle but ive chose test... and come here for advise on my cycle

[jlozan84]

Not trying to judge you or anything bro - it's your decision obviously. Good to see you come here first and start with test and NOT orals.

[mitchcumstein]

Originally Posted by subcool

thanks for the advise, i will just use 22G pinz and inject in my Glute.. what gains should i expect 1st cycle? my diet will be spot on, im 6ft6 and 17stone atm about 22% bf my aim is cut bf down and bulk more muslce

Id def wait. 22%is pretty high and when you do a cycle youll put on 10-15lbs of water weight at a minimum. Youll just feel fat. You really should cut down to 10-15% first. Test is not gonna help you lose fat so expecting to get leaner on a test only cycle is pretty unrealistic for a first timer.

[subcool]

this is a old ish pic i found

[czymex]

Originally Posted by subcool

this is a old ish pic i found

Bro keep working out natty. you still have a long way to go bro. IMO I think your not ready for gear, even if it is a Test cycle only. Not only that but Mitch is right regarding water weight and you BF percentage.

[mitchcumstein]

The other thing is youll make incredible strength gains and the rest of your body is not ready yet to handle the extra weight. Ie your tendons, ligaments, and joints. Youll almost certainly end up with an injury. Thats part of the reason ppl say to train for 4-5 years first. good luck with whatever you choose.

[subcool]

Originally Posted by mitchcumstein

The other thing is youll make incredible strength gains and the rest of your body is not ready yet to handle the extra weight. Ie your tendons, ligaments, and joints. Youll almost certainly end up with an injury. Thats part of the reason ppl say to train for 4-5 years first. good luck with whatever you choose.

i can bench 120 atm, i dont plan on pushing past it just higher the reps, once ive done a cycle and done pct then carry on as normal my tendons etc will get stronger

[mitchcumstein]

I waited till i could do 225 on the bench before i even thought about steroids. That only took me a year of lifting to get there but if youve been lifting 18mos and can only put up 120 then id be taking a serious look at my training program. If you can only bench 120, youre nowhere near ready for roids.

[subcool]

Originally Posted by mitchcumstein

I waited till i could do 225 on the bench before i even thought about steroids. That only took me a year of lifting to get there but if youve been lifting 18mos and can only put up 120 then id be taking a serious look at my training program.

im on about KG
thats about 240lbs 250lbs

[mitchcumstein]

Originally Posted by subcool

im on about KG
thats about 240lbs 250lbs

Ok, that sounded low. That makes more sense.

[subcool]

lol i am still going to do my cycle as im set onto doing it, i am just going to do cardio, i play on train 4times a week and rest days hit my cardio, and after a weight workout 15min high intensive cardio i.e run etc

[czymex]

Originally Posted by subcool

lol i am still going to do my cycle as im set onto doing it, i am just going to do cardio, i play on train 4times a week and rest days hit my cardio, and after a weight workout 15min high intensive cardio i.e run etc

Good Luck bro, Thats all I can say.

[hrpiii]

gains will be gone in 6 months. Are we going to have a pool on this, I'm in!

How "SPOT ON" is your diet, post it and let us check it. By the looks of your physique and bf%, I think it needs some adjustment, not trying to bash just being truthful. Your diet should be on all the time, not just when you are on gear. Not braggin but I waited to gear until I was 29 I am now 32, I tried to hit my natural gains to the fullest and I was benching 225 for 31 reps.
Cycle advice from me to you, would be to wait as noted above. Takes lots of protein in the whole food form, clean carbs, rest, otc supps, train heavy, and be consistent in all. Just my opinion, I am no expert. Good luck in your choice.

[subcool]

diet is like this
Meals
Rice + Kidney Beans + Chicken Breast "GRILLED"
Rice + Kidney Beans + Minced Steak "Drain fat after cooked"
Pasta + Pasta Bake tommatoes etc
Pasta + Garlic + fresh tommatoes
Steak n Eggs + 2 toast (brown)
Pasta Tuna Mayo
Burger n Rice
330g pasta+tin of tuna+jar of tomato sauce spread over 3 meals
one at lunch, 1 2 hour before workout and 1 when i finish

Nibbles
rice cakes + peanut butter (natural whole not ****e)
oat cakes + peanut butter
Boiled Egg
protien bar
flap jack plain

Breakfast
Scrambled eggs 4 - 7 Keep Yokes
Milk + Oats / Bran flaks 2scoops of Reflex Whey (ban)
Mulit vit tab


2more shakes in the day