Thinking out loud; Injectable orals - BodybuildingForYou

Caferacer · #1 (**permalink**) 06-26-2006, 10:07 AM

I saw this on another forum I frequent. Anyone have experience with it here? Things like Dbol at 50mg/ml. Mainly I am interested in what would happen if you did something like PP at 20mg/ml or maybe some superdrol

Anyone want ot be the guinea pig?

future2501 · #2 (**permalink**) 06-26-2006, 10:51 AM

NO!!!

DO NOT DO THIS!!!

If you are thinking about grinding a pill and injecting it don't. The substances in the pills clog your small blood vessels and destroy your lungs and can make you blind.

If you are wondering about finding some injectable D-bol it is out there, Superdrol isn't.

Caferacer · #3 (**permalink**) 06-26-2006, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by future2501

NO!!!

DO NOT DO THIS!!!

If you are thinking about grinding a pill and injecting it don't. The substances in the pills clog your small blood vessels and destroy your lungs and can make you blind.

If you are wondering about finding some injectable D-bol it is out there, Superdrol isn't.

I'm talking about taking it and suspending it in a solution of BA and BB with oil, and injecting it yes.

Obviously I'm not going to take a hammer to SD pills but making injectiable Dbol and orals is something that has been going for decades apparently.

mitchcumstein · #4 (**permalink**) 06-26-2006, 11:13 AM

Correct me if im wrong but dont most injectibles start out in powder form? I cant see the harm in it if its mixed properly.

Caferacer · #5 (**permalink**) 06-26-2006, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by mitchcumstein

Correct me if im wrong but dont most injectibles start out in powder form? I cant see the harm in it if its mixed properly.

Aside from EQ, enanthate and a few others, they are almost all in a powder form. Some come in the consistancy of butter or syrup.

hrpiii · #6 (**permalink**) 06-26-2006, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Caferacer

I'm talking about taking it and suspending it in a solution of BA and BB with oil, and injecting it yes.

Obviously I'm not going to take a hammer to SD pills but making injectiable Dbol and orals is something that has been going for decades apparently.

now that's funny. I could see Caferacer beating the crap out of some little blue pills with a sledge-o-matic. ... it slices,it dices....

Caferacer · #7 (**permalink**) 06-26-2006, 01:05 PM

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now that's funny. I could see Caferacer beating the crap out of some little blue pills with a sledge-o-matic. ... it slices,it dices....

Let me get out my trusty sledge hammer. I'm gonna put 1,000 or so SD pills in a big ol metal bowl and have at it.

Naw but the prospect of injectable PP is interesting to me.

Taekwondo Guy · #8 (**permalink**) 06-26-2006, 01:20 PM

pills have coatings that are designed to bind it together, coatings and other ingredients to allow absorbsion etc?

not wise to inject i think

Caferacer · #9 (**permalink**) 06-26-2006, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Taekwondo Guy

pills have coatings that are designed to bind it together, coatings and other ingredients to allow absorbsion etc?

not wise to inject i think

Some do. Have you ever looked at a SD pill? Or PP? The SD is just material all the way through. PP is just a gel cap. Dbol is homogenious all the way through, along with a lot of oral steroids.

It's not like I just came up with this, it has been done before. I have always heard of it being with dbol though, I was curious if anyone has done it with something like PP or SD... a designer steroid.

I think futures had the mental image of me grinding up a pill, putting it in some tap water, drawing, and injecting it like that in a vein. In that case, thanks for assuming I am a 5 year old. I'm talking about doing this like home brewing, only instead of a hormone like test, using phera plex. Doing this is supposed to make it more bioavailable and something like 20% less harsh on the liver (Trying to dig up some concrete proof on that number, but it does stand to reason it is less harsh).

mywetnightmares · #10 (**permalink**) 06-26-2006, 02:59 PM

You can get SD powder if you have the right source as you can get most orals in a powder form.

RRAdam · #11 (**permalink**) 06-26-2006, 03:10 PM

aside from the chemistry (you would need raw powder, and solubility would be an issue as well) whats the point? orals have near 100% bioavailability anyway.

Caferacer · #12 (**permalink**) 06-26-2006, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RRAdam

aside from the chemistry (you would need raw powder, and solubility would be an issue as well) whats the point? orals have near 100% bioavailability anyway.

Mainly less liver damage, plus getting to home brew some I guess :P

mywetnightmares · #13 (**permalink**) 06-27-2006, 12:07 AM

You'd still have the same liver effects because they still have to be eliminated by the liver, and will still cause the same stress as oral administration.

rckpytn · #14 (**permalink**) 06-27-2006, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by mywetnightmares

You'd still have the same liver effects because they still have to be eliminated by the liver, and will still cause the same stress as oral administration.

yep, the substance is designed to be absorbed in the liver, even if you inject, once it gets to the blood streem it will still have to goto the liver to be metabolized to be made useful

Caferacer · #15 (**permalink**) 06-27-2006, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by rckpytn

yep, the substance is designed to be absorbed in the liver, even if you inject, once it gets to the blood streem it will still have to goto the liver to be metabolized to be made useful

Hold on, when the drug is metabolized it's taken out of the blood stream. The whole point of the first pass through the liver is to get into the blood stream, by surviving the liver. Thats the whole point of 17aa, if to not get metabolized by the liver and broken down, and let the drug get to the blood. The second pass is where it gets eliminated and taken out of the blood stream, after it has gone around the body.

Because if it needed to go to the liver first to be 'activated' or something like that even if it was injected, every injectable would need to be 17aa, which isn't true. Some orals are just an injectable with a 17aa (Methyl test, methyl tren ect), which would make what you said untrue as either every injectable would need to be 17aa to work, or because there is some kind of difference between ingesting a hormone and injecting it.

Or what about something like winny? It can be taken orally but is 400% more anabolic injected. How do you explain the difference in anabolic properties if the drug has to make the same trip to the liver regardless?

Caferacer · #16 (**permalink**) 06-27-2006, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by mywetnightmares

You'd still have the same liver effects because they still have to be eliminated by the liver, and will still cause the same stress as oral administration.

It has to be eliminated but there is no initial stress from the liver of the drug having to go from the digestive tract to the blood stream. The drug has to take 2 trips around the body, so you are saying the drug surviving the liver the first time cause no activity or stress to the liver? That sounds kind of fishy.