Phera Max

[jimmyjd]

How does this compare to Superdrol? Which is honestly stronger? can i expect the same gains as Superdrol?

[joe526]

pheramax is a just a pheraplex clone. Most people really liked pheraplex as it had less sides then superdrol. Superdrol will give you much drier gains and pheraplex will be very wet.

[Caferacer]

Originally Posted by jimmyjd

How does this compare to Superdrol? Which is honestly stronger? can i expect the same gains as Superdrol?

No, they are completely different compounds.

PM you get some water gains, and the gains are steady and pick up around week 3.

[jimmyjd]

is PM less harsh on the lipids and liver though?

[Caferacer]

Originally Posted by jimmyjd

is PM less harsh on the lipids and liver though?

Compared to what?

SD? Yes. Still take all the normal liver supps though.

[jimmyjd]

so will phera give me a bunch of water retention? it sounds like 4 AD to me bc that gave me a lot of water retention, and i eventually lost all of my gains, will i loose them with phera too?

[mywetnightmares]

Originally Posted by jimmyjd

so will phera give me a bunch of water retention? it sounds like 4 AD to me bc that gave me a lot of water retention, and i eventually lost all of my gains, will i loose them with phera too?

What was your PCT like for 4ad?

[jimmyjd]

i just took tribulus in high doses for a month or two, but it was bc i stopped lifting and eating as much that i lost most of my gains, but they were mostly bloated water gains anyways.

[jimmyjd]

how much longer will Phera be on the market for you think? The write up of it says that it's ingredients are naturally occurring, so how is it a steroid?

[markkk]

ctaylor45-

No offense or anything, but I disagree. I think the Tribulus would do a better job at keeping the gains vice the Clomid and Nolva. Tribulus boosts the testosterone where as Clomid and Nolva are used against Gyno. He mentioned that he stopped lifting and eating more afterwards and that is what caused him to lose his gains. Again, not calling you a liar, thats just what I beleieve.

[Caferacer]

Originally Posted by markkk

ctaylor45-

No offense or anything, but I disagree. I think the Tribulus would do a better job at keeping the gains vice the Clomid and Nolva. Tribulus boosts the testosterone where as Clomid and Nolva are used against Gyno. He mentioned that he stopped lifting and eating more afterwards and that is what caused him to lose his gains. Again, not calling you a liar, thats just what I beleieve.

What do you have to base these claims on? How many cycles have you done and how many with only a tribulus PCT?

[markkk]

Caferacer-

I totally agree with having nolva and clomid in a PCT. Its not even a PCT without it. I never intended on my comments to suggest that Tribulus is the only supplement needed for a PCT. This is what happaned.

I read what ctaylor45 said about Trib not doing jack and the reason jimmyjd
lost his gains was because he didnt use Nolva and Clomid. My interpertation was that Clomid and Nolva would help him keep his gains instead of Trib.

I was saying that Trib is used to build muscle and Nolva and Clomid fight/prevent gyno. I didnt mean for it to come out like all you need is Trib to keep gains and you dont need Clomid and/or Nolva.

I then pointed out that jimmyjd lost his gains because he stopped working out and eating, not because he was taking Trib. You see? There is no way in hell I would suggest a PCT without all the required supps.

[markkk]

ctaylor45-

Now that I just posted that I realize what you were actually agreeing with jimmyjd too in that he lost his gains beacuse of the lack of working out and food intake. My bad man. It does look like I was saying all you need is Trib, but thats not the case at all. I just thought you were putting down trib and suggesting Clomid and Nolva and muscle building supplements. Anyway, again sorry.