Methyl Mass?

[JJH]

Anyone ever used "Methyl Mass" from EST?

[elite2]

Originally Posted by JJH

Anyone ever used "Methyl Mass" from EST?

no, is that the crap that has prohormones in it?

[JJH]

Yes. I guess I can tell what your opinion on it is.

[elite2]

Originally Posted by JJH

Yes. I guess I can tell what your opinion on it is.

If your looking to gain mass quickly it will work. Its a steriod, just be carful.

[virus]

moved to the right forum

[RRAdam]

dont recall the steroidal compound off hand - but its not methylated in the 17 position, so its not too hard on the liver, but not effective orally - and it appears to have an ethyl attachment, which renders many steroids inactive. be careful.

[JJH]

RRadam, thanks for your reply. You seem very knowledgeable. Can you give me your thoughts on this stack: Fizogen M1-BOL & 17-BOL

Thanks again.

[elite2]

Originally Posted by JJH

RRadam, thanks for your reply. You seem very knowledgeable. Can you give me your thoughts on this stack: Fizogen M1-BOL & 17-BOL

Thanks again.

i know im not RRadamn, but why not just go with a Test E and Dbol cycle?. Pm me if you need "help".

[NiteHawk]

Here is the active ingredients of EST Methyl Mass....


17- Methyl BolTM 25mg
(17-hydroxy-6-alpha-methyl-ethyletiocholan-3,20diol)
Methyl Mass's proprietary blend: 7,140mg

Cell Volumizing Matrix- CEE HCL (Creatine Ethyl Ester HCL ),GEXTM (Glutamine Ethyl Ester HCL), Malic Acid, Magnesium Malate, Ortic Acid, Piper Nigrum (Black Pepper Extract)

NOS Modulating Matrix AEET- (L-Arginine Ethyl Ester HCL), A-HCLTM (L-Arginine HCL), RC-NOSTM (Rutaecarpine 98%; Patent Pending), Gynostemma Pentaphyllum 98% Gypenosides, Red Wine Extract, Grape Seed Extract

Humaligenic Insulin Matrix- Devils Claw Root, Fenugreek Root, Cinulin PFTM(Cinnamon Extract),Alpha Lipoic Acid, Chromium Arginate Phosphi-Cort Glycine, Phosphatidylserine, Phosphatidylphosphate

Anti Estrogen & Liver Cleanse Matrix- Milk Thistle,Calcium D-Glucarate,Urtica Dioca, Licorice Root Extract

Mental Focus Matrix- Caffeine Anhydrous, White Willow Bark, L-Tyrosine AKG 2:1, American Ginseng

[JJH]

OK..... So does this seem to be a little safer (less extreme) than say, Superdrol? Does this stuff seem legit to you guys as a pro-hormone or is it more like No-Explode? I am trying to get an idea of where this stuff falls on the scale. I have been reading a lot about Superdrol (and milk thistle and RYR and CoQ10 and RXT and Taurine) but I am not sure that I want to take that kind of step right now or at all. So how does this Methyl Mass from EST compare. I'm just trying to make an informed decision here and need a little help. Thanks!

[NiteHawk]

It seems like a cross between 17-HD and NO-Xplode maybe..

I will be taking a cycle of the 17-HD when I start training again. I will be sure and post my reviews on it.

Below are the ingredients in the 17-HD(Vyo-Tech)

17- Halo-Methyl-Dianadrone: 400mg
Ge Gan (pueraria lobota)
Smilax Officinalis
N.O. Oliliacae

Betaecdysterone 100mg
Wild yam extract 100mg
Glabra 100mg
Phosphatidyl choline 50mg
Citric acid 50mg

[JJH]

So would it be safe to say that after a cycle of this I should have PCT with Rebound XT? Or do you think that is not needed?

[NiteHawk]

I would say that would be plenty. It may not even be needed by the way the compound says but better safe than sorry. Anymore than that would be overkill I think.

[RRAdam]

You should use nolva for pct. rebound xt MAY work, but it may not be enough.

[NiteHawk]

Originally Posted by RRAdam

You should use nolva for pct. rebound xt MAY work, but it may not be enough.

Dont you think Nolva is overkill for this supplement?

I dont see anything in there that would be a heavy converter to estrogen.

[RRAdam]

edit... what exactly are we talking about here?

[RRAdam]

Originally Posted by RRAdam

edit... what exactly are we talking about here?

if you are talking about 17-hd, no pct is needed - no real steroidal compounds there...


but MM seems to have one, so pct with nolva would be good.... its not overkill - remember estrogen conversion in a compound is pretty much irrelevant in pct