Arimidex (Anastrozole)

[Caferacer]

It's an AI which probably would help with keeping the estrogen down. Actually, it does a great job of that. But to be best off you would really need a serm along with that. Plus clomid is able to boost test levels actually above nominal once you start to get back up and moving. Thats why the pair is so popular.

If you take this route, at least take some kind of SERM with it. Be it toremifene or nolva.

[t_dot_porkchop]

AI would serve no purpose in PCT....its job is to stop the conversion of test to estrogen.

stick to nolva or clomid and use AIs on cycle (if needed).

[mitchcumstein]

Arimidex does not help the body produce test. Clomid does. They are 2 totally different compounds. Arimidex is an anti aromatose as was stated already. Great for estrogen bloating and gyno prevention during the cycle. Clomid is totally different. It stimulates the hypophysis to release gonadotropin so higher release of FSH and LH occur resulting in an elevated test level. Arimidex is not capable of that and therefore not appropriate for pct. Theres basically 2 things going on during PCT. 1 Your body is not producing test naturally so you want to restart that process. 2 theres alot of estrogen in relation to test so you want to control that. Therefore you could use nolva in conjunction with clomid if you want but still not alone. clomid should always be used.

[vassille]

No AI(arimidex, aromasin, femara) on PCT, bro
No HCG on pct either
ONLY clomid or nolvadex. Clomid is a slightly weaker compound than Nolvadex.
Also, no need to take them both for a month. May take clomid and nolvadex for a week together then take either clomid or nolvadex for 3 weeks.

[t_dot_porkchop]

Originally Posted by mitchcumstein

Therefore you could use nolva in conjunction with clomid if you want but still not alone. clomid should always be used.

so you are saying:

clomid alone is good

clomid + nolva is better

nolva alone is not ideal?

i have always used just nolva....

[surferph34]

You could argue the Clomid Vs Nolva debate all day as there are various articles which support both in terms of which is better in terms of PCT.

In contrast to Vassille I would personally include BOTH meds in PCT even though Clomid and Nolvadex are both anti-estrogens and can be used individually for PCT for various reasons however T, Nolva on its own is fine, no doubt about that.

Why would I include both? Basically the different research articles and user feedback leads me to believe that it is not PCT overkill, but rather Nolva is better for combating estrogen rebound whereas Clomid is better for stimulating endogenous testosterone production after cycle.

Nolva is strongly anti-estrogenic at both the hypothalamus and pituitary, which is in contrast to Clomid, which although a strong anti-estrogen at the hypothalamus, seems to exhibit weak estrogenic activity at the pituitary. Making Nolva a better choice for PCT in terms of combating estrogen rebound and probably why most choose Nolvadex to combat gynecomastia over Clomid despite both drugs being effective anti-estrogens for the prevention of gyno.

However this does not help to increase endogenous testosterone release, and it is for this purpose that most you might tend to incorporate clomid, as this is "supposedly" and I say supposedly as I have read a few articles lately which state that Nolva should actually be the preferred choice, as it is the better of the two meds for stimulating endogenous testosterone. (I can post the article on request).

So even though drugs are effective anti-estrogens for the prevention of gyno and for aiding the elevation of endogenous testosterone, I would incorporate both as a "Perfect PCT" in aiding a fast recovery to a healthy natural testosterone level.

Surfer

[mitchcumstein]

Originally Posted by surferph34

You could argue the Clomid Vs Nolva debate all day as there are various articles which support both in terms of which is better in terms of PCT.

In contrast to Vassille I would personally include BOTH meds in PCT even though Clomid and Nolvadex are both anti-estrogens and can be used individually for PCT for various reasons however T, Nolva on its own is fine, no doubt about that.

Why would I include both? Basically the different research articles and user feedback leads me to believe that it is not PCT overkill, but rather Nolva is better for combating estrogen rebound whereas Clomid is better for stimulating endogenous testosterone production after cycle.

Nolva is strongly anti-estrogenic at both the hypothalamus and pituitary, which is in contrast to Clomid, which although a strong anti-estrogen at the hypothalamus, seems to exhibit weak estrogenic activity at the pituitary. Making Nolva a better choice for PCT in terms of combating estrogen rebound and probably why most choose Nolvadex to combat gynecomastia over Clomid despite both drugs being effective anti-estrogens for the prevention of gyno.

However this does not help to increase endogenous testosterone release, and it is for this purpose that most you might tend to incorporate clomid, as this is "supposedly" and I say supposedly as I have read a few articles lately which state that Nolva should actually be the preferred choice, as it is the better of the two meds for stimulating endogenous testosterone. (I can post the article on request).

So even though drugs are effective anti-estrogens for the prevention of gyno and for aiding the elevation of endogenous testosterone, I would incorporate both as a "Perfect PCT" in aiding a fast recovery to a healthy natural testosterone level.

Surfer

Yes, clomid has kinda fallen out of graces as of late as the preferred pct. To old schoolers it will always be the only PCT but to the next generation, nolva is becoming the preferred choice. Ive read research that says 20mg of nolva can far outperfrom 150mg of clomid at raising test levels. Not to mention at that high of a dose of clomid, you stand a higher chance at getting 'emotional' sides. Also, run the HCG the whole cycle at 250iu 2 times a week. It much more effective that way

[vassille]

Good arguments for clomid and nolva.
Personally I find clomid to increase my sex drive more than nolvadex, and nolva to be better in terms of estrogen control. That's why I only use clomid for a week at slightly higher dosages(150/150/100/and so on mg/day) then keep going with nolva(40/30/20/10mg/day for 4 weeks). Is just my personal preference and it works fine.

[PFNyhan]

I was under the impression from everything that I have read that during cycle you would use HCG per Swale's protocol and PCT with clomid and nolva was the ideal choice. So overall which would be the wiser choice in the long run? The Clomid vs Nolva battle continues on. I wish there was some concrete information in regards to that

[t_dot_porkchop]

i have never had any sides and i come back super fast with just nolva....so why fix what aint broke (for me at least)???

[vassille]

Originally Posted by PFNyhan

I was under the impression from everything that I have read that during cycle you would use HCG per Swale's protocol and PCT with clomid and nolva was the ideal choice. So overall which would be the wiser choice in the long run? The Clomid vs Nolva battle continues on. I wish there was some concrete information in regards to that

no need to beat a dead horse. HCG during cycle, Clomid or nolvadex during PCT. Like I said mg per mg Nolva is stronger and safer than Clomid but both work very well.

[mywetnightmares]

Use Toremifene instead of nolva or clomid, Torm isn't a carcinogen like the other two. Torm also kicks in a lot faster.

An AI can be used during PCT as long as it's a steroidal AI such as ATD or Exemestane. These will permanently bond with aromatase and reduce total aromatase content in your system. With a steroidal AI there will be no estrogen rebound after your PCT and the reduction in aromatase will linger for sometime after the protocol is discontinued.

If you want to run a Torm/ATD PCT(which is what I'm going to be doing this fall) it should go something like this:

Day 1-4: 120mg Toremifene
Day 5-9: 90mg Toremifene
Day 10-19: 60mg Toremifene
Day 20-28: 30mg Toremifene
Week 1-4: 25, 50, 50, 75mg ATD ed

You might also want to throw in something to control cortisol and maybe some DHEA for mood and libido.

[tony pour toi]

Originally Posted by i3041

I'm doing my next cycle using Tren & Test prop for 10 weeks. My question is on the PCT. My source tells me that Arimidex (Anastrozole) will be better to use then Clomid or Nolvadex. He suggested .5mg per day for 40 days for PCT. Also I'll run HCG for the last couple weeks of my cycle. It makes sense to me also given the profile on this drug, but I wanted to throw it out there and get somemore opinions. Thanks for your input!

Arimidex is an aromatase inhibiter, it should be used only during a cycle not in a pct course, and only if needed during a cycle ; long cycle with heavy dose of AAS to prevent testosterone metabolisim to estrogen. Otherwise your main pct element will be only Clomid and/or Nolva. that is what all recent sport related endocrine studies tell us. by the way : HCG should start from the first week on a cycle (single small dose of 500 IU /week) and not only in the last 2 weeks, this is the recent swale protocol of HCG that replaced the old one of usinge HCG within a pct course..........hope that was useful for you !