Winstrol (tabs)

[martydup]

Alright i am ready to take the next step by doing a cycle of winstrol.Now before i get flammed by asking newbie questions, i did read about Winstrol in this sticky section but they just talked about the injectable winstrol and i'm not ready for the needle.

I have a musclemag in wich they rated all oral steroids.At first i was thinking about going with D-bol because , but from what i have heard it's only good for stacking.In my Musclemag, they give 4 out of 5 for strengh and mass, but only 1 1/2 out of 5 for safety.

Winstrol on the other hand, also received 4 out of 5 for mass , but got 4 out of 5 for safety.Other advantage is that it will neither aromatize nor convert to DHT.Gains you make out of it is pure mass with little or no water retention.

In the stickies, it shows "none" as the side effects.In my mag, they say since its really strong stimulator of androgen receptors, it can cause hair loss by stimulating the receptors in the scalp.But i'm more worried about gynos, how likely is someone to get gynos with winstrol (ex:moderate, Very low, zero chances..)

The recommended dosage is 50mg/day, but i haven't found the recommended lenght of cycle (my guess is 4 weeks???)

Is 6OXO good enough for PCT?

thanx in advance

[TRAZ]

I would always recommend having Nolva/ Clomid around on cycle and definitely for PCT...

Winstrol may be less harsh in some ways than other gear, but as far as joints/ collagen synthesis are concerned it is the worst! Winstrol will really wreak havoc on your joints! A Winstrol only cycle is a bad idea...I believe that I have heard that the gains don't really last either...If you are not ready for needles you aren't really ready for gear IMO...

Test should be the base for a first cycle...Injectable Test...

[moneyshot11]

what were you going to stack it with?
why winny only?
Why wouldnt you use Nolva or Cloimid for PCT.
why do your think your ready to take the next step.

When people say do you research they dont mean recite what some muscle mag says they mean actually read and comprehend what you just read.

[czymex]

Originally Posted by moneyshot11

When people say do you research they dont mean recite what some muscle mag says they mean actually read and comprehend what you just read.

Sorry bro. But you need to do more research, and like Traz mentioned Winny is really hard on you're joints, and Test should always be the base to any cycle. More research tht is all I can say, you are def. not ready. Be safe bro. This is you're health and you're life you are talking about. !!!!

[Weecrack]

Blehhhh People dont read anymore...

Sad Sad World......

[vassille]

Listen, I'm not flaming you but why winny tabs?
Do you want to gain or lose fat?

What elso do you have access to in regards to gear?
In general orals are good but not to good when used alone. I would really consider injectables if I were you IMO

[martydup]

Thanx guys, i know i'm just sratching the surface and i still have a lot more to learn.I could spend several hours trying to learn more, but how would i now wich sources are reliable???You guys are saying it's hard on the joints, this is the first time i heard about it.I only know personnaly 1 guy who has done cycles of Winstrol only and he didn't mentioned anything about, so is the sticky and my mag.

why winstrol?Why not injectables?

I have done 1AD and M1T in the past but i had to stop because of extreme lethargy.As for injectables, the problem is finding someone who i can trust 100% to do it.I have heard a couple of scary stories about it, guys who "missed" their shots...no thanx!

I can have access to pretty much anything.I just want something strong without risking too much.But i can see there is more risk in winstrol that the information i got suggested.

[Weecrack]

Well before you buy anythign you need more than a couple of hours of researching you gotta make sure you know what your doin before jumping into it...

As for the "Stories" you heard about missed pins.... They Obvisouly didnt knwow aht there doin they mustve messed up the eprocedure somewhere along the line, not steralizing, hitting a vessle extc.....

[SICKOFITALL]

If I was going to do winny, I would be definately looking to stack some test and tren or you're going to have problems with your joints!

[Poobah]

TO clarify things a bit...

Winstrol actually raises collogen synthesis, but the problem is that the mechanism that binds the collogen at the cellular level is buggered.. the glue for lack of a better term becomes very brittle.. causing your tendons to tighten up increasing tensile strength but at the risk of snapping under strain... which means, that you are far more likely to snap tendons under training, specially olympic type speed and power lifts... sprinting and pitching would also be perticularly dangerous.

Test actually lowers collogen synthesis by ~80%, so the combination of test and winstrol will actually work to weaken your tendons, as they will repair at the rate of a old man.. coupled with the brittle aspects that winstrol brings. All of which happens while you are lifting heavier and heavier and more and more load is put on those tendons.

DECA, EQ, and HGH, (Can't recall the data on tren) all greatly increase collogen synthesis, without making your tendons brittle... If you are going to run just test or test and winstrol it really is worth considering running one of these aswell to help alliviate stress on your joints and tendons.

[moneyshot11]

Originally Posted by czymex

Sorry bro. But you need to do more research, and like Traz mentioned Winny is really hard on you're joints, and Test should always be the base to any cycle. More research tht is all I can say, you are def. not ready. Be safe bro. This is you're health and you're life you are talking about. !!!!

Im not the one askign to do a winny only cyle

[czymex]

Originally Posted by Poobah

TO clarify things a bit...

Winstrol actually raises collogen synthesis, but the problem is that the mechanism that binds the collogen at the cellular level is buggered.. the glue for lack of a better term becomes very brittle.. causing your tendons to tighten up increasing tensile strength but at the risk of snapping under strain... which means, that you are far more likely to snap tendons under training, specially olympic type speed and power lifts... sprinting and pitching would also be perticularly dangerous.

Test actually lowers collogen synthesis by ~80%, so the combination of test and winstrol will actually work to weaken your tendons, as they will repair at the rate of a old man.. coupled with the brittle aspects that winstrol brings. All of which happens while you are lifting heavier and heavier and more and more load is put on those tendons.

DECA, EQ, and HGH, (Can't recall the data on tren) all greatly increase collogen synthesis, without making your tendons brittle... If you are going to run just test or test and winstrol it really is worth considering running one of these aswell to help alliviate stress on your joints and tendons.

/\ Very true but also with the increase of collagen systhesis, what it actually does is that one molecule of vitamin C is destroyed for each H ( Hydrogen) replaced by OH ( during the formation of collagen ) Vitamin C in the critical reactions that assemble collagen in the tissue, does not serve mereley as a catalyst but is destroyed or like Poobah said it weakens it. And Vitamin C being a major role player in joints and bones, is why Winny attacks vitamin C and makes you joints hurt. Correct me if I am wrong Poobah!!!!

[Poobah]

Originally Posted by czymex

/\ Very true but also with the increase of collagen systhesis, what it actually does is that one molecule of vitamin C is destroyed for each H ( Hydrogen) replaced by OH ( during the formation of collagen ) Vitamin C in the critical reactions that assemble collagen in the tissue, does not serve mereley as a catalyst but is destroyed or like Poobah said it weakens it. And Vitamin C being a major role player in joints and bones, is why Winny attacks vitamin C and makes you joints hurt. Correct me if I am wrong Poobah!!!!

Beats me.. You probably know more about the mechnism of why then I do.

[czymex]

Originally Posted by Poobah

Beats me.. You probably know more about the mechnism of why then I do.

No Poobah, I don't have nearly as much knowledge as you, just have done a ton of research on Winny cause I was going to run a Test and Winny cycle. But my hats off to you Bro. One day my knowledge will be as good as yours.

[ryanbodybuilder]

I strongly recommend a low dose of dbol to cut with then ever running winny.....winny is the worst steroid on earth...however dbol can and is the most versatile.....10-20mg for 50 days along with test prop at 75-100mg EOD would be an incredible cutter.....what people often forget to realize is that dbol lowers cortisol higher than any other steroid....thus lowering fat stores and heavily increasing protein synthesis....that being coupled with making you feel amazing and strong......

[ryanbodybuilder]

oh also dbol actually increases collegin (sp?)