4AD Is it REAL?

[retiredjoker]

i plan on doing my first cycle. ill be using Ergopharm 1AD and Dermabolics 4AD. I havent figured out the dosage yet but im jsut getting the substances and also some of the PCT stuff before i figure it all out. Ill post my cycle later and get some of your opions.My question for today however is , how exactly do i know the 4AD is real and not just filled with water. Im buying it from someone off the net but according to him the 4AD is not sealed. It just has the cap on. I checked some websites that has pics of the dermabolics 4AD and it seems as though the seller is correct. I can find no indication of a seal on top of the bottle. What are your thoughts?

[Weecrack]

First off how old are you to be doin this hight weight Extc.
This your first cycle ?
What Pcts Are goin to be run through out this..

In response to your question though, if i didnt know the perosn i wouldnt even think about buying aytype of open substance off the net.

Since its illegal to sell now, He can rip you off and you cant do jack about it.

[retiredjoker]

im 28 years old..been training for 3 years now. I am 5`10 and 185 pounds. I have hit a plateu and just want something to get me over it.
Week 1: 1AD-300mg, 4AD-300mg (transdermal)
Week 2: 1AD-300mg, 4AD-300mg
Week 3: 1AD-300mg, 4AD-300mg
Week 4: 1AD-300mg, 4AD-300mg
Week 5: 1AD-300mg, 4AD-300mg
Week 6: 6oxo-600mg
Week 7: 6oxo-400mg
Week 8: 6oxo-400mg
Week 9: 6oxo-300mg
this is the stack i was thinking of doing. i have been researching this for about 1 month now. i was also planning on taking nolvadex for 4 weeks after the cycle to in a 40mg/40/30/20/
what do u think?

[Weecrack]

Im not goin to bull**** you, but Peeps are goin to tell you you should research it more.. 1 month isnt goin to cut it


as for the 4-ad 1-ad stack i have never done that combo together

Soo i would reccomend to use the search on this forum and look it up, i know a few people posted there 1ad-4ad cycles on here im sure youll be able to find it

Pct looks good though

[retiredjoker]

i searched the whole forum and cant find any 1Ad/4AD sample cycles. what cycles have u taken? could u please post? thanks!

[pushpull]

research later, just get it over with and get big

[TRAZ]

Well...You could always run the cycle anyways...You will figure out pretty quickly whether or not the 4ad is real...If it isn't you will feel like total ass...Seriously though you should do more research.

[pushpull]

Originally Posted by TRAZ

Well...You could always run the cycle anyways...You will figure out pretty quickly whether or not the 4ad is real...If it isn't you will feel like total ass...Seriously though you should do more research.

dont listen to him

[TRAZ]

/\ I was kidding...I would never take 1ad alone...Or anything that I got that was unsealed (wouldn't buy it either)...Who knows what that stuff is...

[retiredjoker]

Can anyone post their 1AD/4AD stacks..including PCT..thanks!

[metagraphica]

Research, research, research.

From the sticky above entitled PROHORMONE FAQ -

4AD

4AD is the next best. It is almost always used with other hormones due
also to its resounding user feedback and adding large amounts of mass
from increases in testosterone and estrogen. 4AD can be taken orally,
transdermally, or sublingually.
2-6 week cycles are generally used. 4AD can be stacked with just about
anything.

Oral:
300-1500mg daily. Oral is probably the worst way to take this, but if
you are simply looking to reduce sides of 1AD, etc - it works. Take in
divided doses to ensure elevated blood levels.

Transdermal:
400-600mg daily with two applications in morning at night.

Sublingual:
Probably 15-50mg at a time, 3 times or more daily in divided doses.

[metagraphica]

Reading the above info from the PROHORMONE FAQ I would increase your 4AD dose slightly say 400mg and see how it works. If you start to feel lethargic from the 1AD then increase the 4AD dose a bit more to 500 or 600mg.

Personally I have never used transdermal 4AD. Only oral 4ad. I have successfully used it at 1200mg dose per day along with 1AD, M1T, and SD.

As for your other question - short of having the liquid tested in a lab I don't know of any way to determine if what you are buying is legitimate 4AD or not since it is already opened.

[hrpiii]

My last cycle, I used test. transdermal, worked wonderfully! Search on Transdermal, you'll get a lot of hits and also find how much you need to take a day.

I just noticed your other post, and my next cycle will probably be a 1ad/4ad cycle, as I have plenty of 1AD for a couple of cycles. I'm a big guy, so my 1AD dosage will be pretty strong (400-500mg). At your size, just go by the recomm. dosage (300 mg a day).

[mywetnightmares]

I would use a SERM for pct, not 6-oxo.

[retiredjoker]

so i can ditch the 6-oxo and just use the nolvadex.i figured overkill couldnt hurt as fas as anti-estrogens go. thanks!

[mywetnightmares]

You can use both, I didn't see the nolva until I reread it. I'd recommend reversing the 6-oxo dosing schedule though. Dose it inverse to your SERM, as you decrease your nolva you should be increasing your 6-oxo.

[retiredjoker]

oh okay thats a great idea i never thought of.ill do that. just got my 4 ad..soon as my 1-ad comes im all set.thanks!

[retiredjoker]

You guys think 400mg 4 Ad oral is too weak? im doing 300Mg 1-AD along with it.

[RRAdam]

you need about 1500mg a day orally of 4ad... 1200 bare minimum.

[retiredjoker]

oh okay..thanks..good thing i got like 6 bottles of it..so ive read everywhere about decreased libido with 1-AD and i know 4-AD helps with this. But does decreased Libido mean less desire for sex or that you cant get it up? seems like there is no clear answer to this on any FAQ ive read. Im also about to start my First cycle as soon as my nolva arrives. Here is what its looking like.
Week 1: 1AD-300mg, 4AD-1200mg (oral)
Week 2: 1AD-300mg, 4AD-1200mg
Week 3: 1AD-300mg, 4AD-1200mg
Week 4: 1AD-300mg, 4AD-1200mg
Week 5: 1AD-300mg, 4AD-1200mg
Week 6: 40 MG Nolva 20 during breakfast, 20 at night
Week 7: 40 MG Nolva 20 during breakfast, 20 at night
Week 8: 20MG Nolva 10during breakfast, 10 at night
Week 9: 20 MG Nolva 10 during breakfast, 10 at night
I also have Letrozole in case of a Gyno emergency and im thinking of getting some Aromasin at 20-25mgs/day since it works well with Nolva and it will only get rid of 65% or so of estrogen. I think getting rid of 98% of Estrogen with Letrozole during PCT will kill my gains quickly. What do you guys think . Im really excited to get over this plateu and get bigger. Am also considering tapering down the last week to 200 MG 1-ad and the last half of the week go down to 100 MG 1-AD. Also should i start PCT three days before my cycle ends? Just want to thank everyone for their imput. The wealth of knowledge and experience here is amazing!