closest thing to steroids.

[thatsall]

is this along the lines of what you mean?

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So you guys feel i would see no gains if i was to only lift with prohormones for 1 cycle?


Following a proper diet and regular weight training, of course you'll see gains. What they're implying is that 99.99% of those who take ph's/steroids are not psychologically strong enough to stop at 1 cycle. Hell, I even know of people that don't ever want to touch a weight anymore as a natty since they started playing with the stuff. Your first time with hormones leaves quite a remarkable impression on you in terms of how effective they are on performance in the gym and on the brain. The best way I can describe it is that you will remember what it felt like to be 17 again. wink.gif

- Fletch

[mywetnightmares]

That's somewhat right, "there is no 'last' cycle, only a 'next' cycle." That's fine if your prepared to handle yourself and you know what you're doing, and you've done the research. I think you're not ready at this point, if you have a good work ethic you will be eventually but not now. Since everything is about to be illegal anyway I'd just wait until you're ready and do a cycle of traditional gear as your first cycle. That shouldn't be for a long time though.

[czymex]

Research, you have not done enough research, All the info you need to know are in the stickys. You need a minimal of at least five years of training along with diet, before even thinking about any of these. Listen to these guys they have thier @#$T together.

[IronMax]

i honestly think u should start with Animal M-Stak.. compared to everything else listed.. it is the safest and most people i know who take it, feel it works well..

tbomb and novedex will increase ur free test up to 400% and more
n1t will increase free test up to 198%
Axis HT - not sure on the stats
Animal Stak (supposedly stronger that m-stak) - works well, but its weaker than tbomb and novedex
Animal M-stak - is an all in one complex, do some reading on the ingredients.. it has okg, aakg, tribulus, estrogen blockers, cleansers.. small amts of a lot of things.. good beginner ****

[RRAdam]

Originally Posted by thatsall

ev been on and off working out for about 2 years now. Im just getting back into it and am more serious then i ever was. I am bulking and just ordered some celltech and on whey protein. I plan to go on this regime for about 2-3 months then use just whey for about a month on its own and then i was looking into doing something more serious to help my gains.

i weigh 170lbs and im 5,11

you must understand i dont think im ready otherwise i wouldnt be here. Imjjst preparing myself for something i want to do. That is why im here asking questions and trying to do research, if you know of some great places i could find research on let me know

You got about 30 more lbs and 5 years of training... what is your age?

[Weecrack]

Why cant we all just get along

[vassille]

The general consensus is that one must be about 10-20lbs over the normal weight to start using steroids.
Ex. A 6ft tall guy's normal upper wight is about 190lbs so to do steroids you need to be around 200-210.

[krenalor]

To many people are to eager to start steroids and have no reason other than vanity to use them. There are no completely safe steroids, and it's even worse when those under 21 use them.
This should have actually been put in the suppliments forum and we could point to:

Creatine
Anti-estrogens
Test boosters (if over 35)

at 170 pounds he isn't close to any potential yet.