quick question about nolva

[tazzz]

Hey
If im planning to use Nolva and trib for pct, is an anti-aromatase necessary.

If not, do you guys recommend taking an anti-aromatase during an M1T cycle?

[mywetnightmares]

It's not necessary, though a steroidal AI such as Exemestane or ATD would be a good addition to your PCT. If you decided to go that route, taper your AI dosage up and your SERM dosage down.

[RRAdam]

Careful with that. there are many steroidal AIs that will shut you down. the ones listed will not though... be careful, you dont want to entirely eliminate estrogen during pct.

[Michaelicious]

Originally Posted by RRAdam

Careful with that. there are many steroidal AIs that will shut you down. the ones listed will not though... be careful, you dont want to entirely eliminate estrogen during pct.

What does "AI" stand for?
I couldn't find it in the newbie lingo threads.
And what is wrong with eliminating estrogen from the male body?

I really would like to know so that way I can follow these conversations.

[RRAdam]

ai stands for aromatase inhibitor... zero estrogen in pct leads to lower libido and indirectly lower total horomones... for a short answer. Sex hormones work on a negative feedback loop.

[vassille]

Testasterone without estrogen is useless! You want to have the testasterone be the dominant hormone in your body and the estrogen be much less than testasterone. What happens on PCT estrogen becomes the dominant hormone, since your body was supressed and does not produces testasterone, hence that's why you get "***** tits". All you want to do is control and lower estrogen but not eliminate it, so if you have low testasterone then you want to have low estrogen as well, got it?

[mywetnightmares]

True you don't want to eliminate estrogen, but the two together can work synergistically.

[Michaelicious]

Originally Posted by vassille

Testasterone without estrogen is useless! You want to have the testasterone be the dominant hormone in your body and the estrogen be much less than testasterone. What happens on PCT estrogen becomes the dominant hormone, since your body was supressed and does not produces testasterone, hence that's why you get "***** tits". All you want to do is control and lower estrogen but not eliminate it, so if you have low testasterone then you want to have low estrogen as well, got it?

So, during a cycle you produce large amounts of testasterone.
When you come off the cycle... things don't go back to normal?
You actually produce even less test?

You said "supressed" and "does not produce"

[vassille]

Originally Posted by Michaelicious

So, during a cycle you produce large amounts of testasterone.
When you come off the cycle... things don't go back to normal?
You actually produce even less test?

You said "supressed" and "does not produce"

During the cycle you are introducing large amounts of testasterone, as a result your body will shut down the production of test and increases the estrogen levels. What it does it takes testasterone and converts it to estrogen. An Aromatose Inhibitor will take away the enzyme needed for this process.
When you come off the cycle your body will produce very little testasterone and it is your job to stimulate the testies to start producing test again. One way is to keep estrogen levels low and kind of help kick start this process by taking nolvadex/clomid with( HCG if the shut down is severe). That's why is very important to have a good PCT.
I hope I explained this decently, because what in my head does not always come out the right way, LOL

[vassille]

Originally Posted by mywetnightmares

True you don't want to eliminate estrogen, but the two together can work synergistically.

Yeap, many on AAS have notices that while on letro their gains are diminished and that's caused by too much estrogen being eliminated from the body, and with all the testasterone is not really working very well by itself.

[mywetnightmares]

Originally Posted by vassille

Yeap, many on AAS have notices that while on letro their gains are diminished and that's caused by too much estrogen being eliminated from the body, and with all the testasterone is not really working very well by itself.

Exactly, the thing is that you want to find that fine line between control and elimination. I used too much ATD on my last cycle I think and my gains were definitely diminished, not to mention I felt like sh!t some of the time. Next time I'm gonna do better at controlling rather than eliminating.

[vassille]

Originally Posted by mywetnightmares

Exactly, the thing is that you want to find that fine line between control and elimination. I used too much ATD on my last cycle I think and my gains were definitely diminished, not to mention I felt like sh!t some of the time. Next time I'm gonna do better at controlling rather than eliminating.

I did use nolva at 10 or 20mg a day throughout the cycle and its working very well, however I still have aromasin just in case. Remember, nolva only blocks estrogen does not eliminate it.

[mywetnightmares]

That's why it was a mistake to use high dose ATD rather than nolva.

[vassille]

Originally Posted by mywetnightmares

That's why it was a mistake to use high dose ATD rather than nolva.

Live and learn I guess,

[Michaelicious]

Originally Posted by vassille

During the cycle you are introducing large amounts of testasterone, as a result your body will shut down the production of test and increases the estrogen levels. What it does it takes testasterone and converts it to estrogen. An Aromatose Inhibitor will take away the enzyme needed for this process.
When you come off the cycle your body will produce very little testasterone and it is your job to stimulate the testies to start producing test again. One way is to keep estrogen levels low and kind of help kick start this process by taking nolvadex/clomid with( HCG if the shut down is severe). That's why is very important to have a good PCT.
I hope I explained this decently, because what in my head does not always come out the right way, LOL

You explained it perfectly!
Thank you.

I'm just in a minor state of awe though because of all the friends that
I have had who did use steroids, and I had a few, none of them
and I mean none of them ever spoke of "PCT" or etrogen levels.
They simply bought some stuff, used it for about 2 months,
and then went on to something else.
Some showed some difference.
Some, I personally thought they wasted their money.

Goes to show that there is so much more to this
then just sticking a needle in your butt!

You have got to know what you are doing
before AND after.

Good read.


I'm still a little fuzzy on the testosterone levels shutting down
after a cycle. Do they ever come back on line on their own?
Or, do they always require some sort of PCT?
And you said "Nolva" is good to use for PCT...
If you are doing an 8 week cycle,
at what point would you begin this Nolva and for how long?
And just Nolva? Nothing else?

I know a hell of a lot more now then I did 5 minutes ago
and again I thank you.

[vassille]

Originally Posted by Michaelicious

You explained it perfectly!
Thank you.

I'm just in a minor state of awe though because of all the friends that
I have had who did use steroids, and I had a few, none of them
and I mean none of them ever spoke of "PCT" or etrogen levels.
They simply bought some stuff, used it for about 2 months,
and then went on to something else.
Some showed some difference.
Some, I personally thought they wasted their money.

Goes to show that there is so much more to this
then just sticking a needle in your butt!

You have got to know what you are doing
before AND after.

Good read.


I'm still a little fuzzy on the testosterone levels shutting down
after a cycle. Do they ever come back on line on their own?
Or, do they always require some sort of PCT?
And you said "Nolva" is good to use for PCT...
If you are doing an 8 week cycle,
at what point would you begin this Nolva and for how long?
And just Nolva? Nothing else?

I know a hell of a lot more now then I did 5 minutes ago
and again I thank you.

Yes they do come back on line on their own, but it takes a long time and by that time when your testasterone is back naturally you will lose most of your gains!! That's the catch
As long as you supply your body with testaterone you will always need A PCT otherwise if you are natural no need for PCT.

Nolva can be used 10mg a day during cycle. Some use it some don't depends on how much estrogen your body produces! Everybody is different. If you read some of the Steriod stickies you will see what else you can run with a cycle for support.
PCT differes somewhat depending what you take steroid wise but Nolvadex is a constant
This is how to use it Week 1-4 after the cycle is over 40-30-20-10mg per day of Nolvadex
With long esters oils start PCT 14-21 days after last injection.
THis is a brief overview so read more and you will understand more.