summer cutter/re-comp...

[t_dot_porkchop]

hey, im a juice-head and always thinking of the next cycle, even while still on this one! lol

anyway, i want to get nice a cut up for the summer, but not lose too much size. im about 220 now and want to get to 190. i know i can drop the weight, its just loosing hard earned muscle that concerns me. here is my plan:

-high dose (ramping up to 100mg ED) of M4OHN for approx. 8-10 weeks (for you old schoolers, its a compound that is non-suppressive and very similar to anavar. its methylated though, so liver supps are needed).
-CEE to keep up strength/pumps
-clen/ECA alternating between the two every 10 days.
-avant ab-solved transdermal (i got a bottle, so might as well run it toward the end).

should i add anything? remove something?

of course, diet and moderate cardio will be in order for all of this.

thanks!

[Tom185]

at what doses are u running the clen? pyramiding?

[t_dot_porkchop]

for clen, i run within body tolerances....started at about 40mcg per day and increasing over the 10 days. dosing for things like clen cannot be set in stone pre-cycle.

[Tom185]

what do you think the upper end of clen dose is for 195 lbs...6-7% bodyfat

[mywetnightmares]

Since ab-solved is target more at VAT rather than SAT, wouldn't it be better to use in the beginning rather than the end since usually people lose their VAT first when on a cut?

[t_dot_porkchop]

Originally Posted by mywetnightmares

Since ab-solved is target more at VAT rather than SAT, wouldn't it be better to use in the beginning rather than the end since usually people lose their VAT first when on a cut?

maybe i should run it first...i think i was confusing it with lipoderm.

my "problem" areas are the lower pecs and love handles.

[t_dot_porkchop]

Originally Posted by Tom185

what do you think the upper end of clen dose is for 195 lbs...6-7% bodyfat

it really depends on tolerances...too hard to make a call on that.

[t_dot_porkchop]

anyone feel a low dose of T3 (25mcg ED) would be a benefit for a few weeks at the end? in BTPB, a. rea goes into detail about clen/t3 alternating cycle...we are talking 2days on/off.

[devildriver]

Originally Posted by Tom185

what do you think the upper end of clen dose is for 195 lbs...6-7% bodyfat

You shouldn't take more than 120mcg per day. I only need around 80mcg, sometimes 100mcg if I can handle it.

t_dot, why not throw some test prop in there? Then you could run T3 with the clen. Get some ketotifen and you would not have to cycle off the clen at all, plus it will lessen the side effects. Ramp the T3 up to 150mcg and back off real slow. I cannot believe how incredibly effective this is for me. I've never been this lean before!

[t_dot_porkchop]

Originally Posted by devildriver

t_dot, why not throw some test prop in there? Then you could run T3 with the clen. Get some ketotifen and you would not have to cycle off the clen at all, plus it will lessen the side effects. Ramp the T3 up to 150mcg and back off real slow. I cannot believe how incredibly effective this is for me. I've never been this lean before!

thanks bro, but i considered that option, but i want to keep off the test for a while now. the M4OHN should be enough to stave of muscle loss....even with t3/clen/ECA (provided i cycle it properly).

[Tom185]

some people say 2 weeks...some people say 3 weeks...which is better for clen

[vassille]

Originally Posted by Tom185

some people say 2 weeks...some people say 3 weeks...which is better for clen

2 weeks on/2 weeks off

[vassille]

Originally Posted by Tom185

what do you think the upper end of clen dose is for 195 lbs...6-7% bodyfat

About 100mcg, bud

[milwood]

I'd use hooker's clen protocol which would run it for say 6-8 weeks straight but also using ketotifen (1-2mg/day) or benadryl (50-100mg/day) during weeks 3 and 6 to keep the receptors from downregulation. It seems to be a superior way (in my experience) to maximize benefits of the clen; much more effective in a longer run than say for 2 weeks on/off (as long as you keep those receptors "fresh". Check out the clen article in the steroid profiles on steroid.com for more info.

[t_dot_porkchop]

^^thanks milwood. i will check that out.

ive decided im running t3 as well.....

[t_dot_porkchop]

great article milwood...it seems to dispell all the clen brotelligence like 2on2off, alternate with ECA, side effects, etc...check it out folks:

http://steroid.com/Clenbuterol.php

[Tom185]

whats better....the benadryl or ketofen?

[BB2]

ketofen

[ryanbodybuilder]

just so you know m4ohn doesnt work any better over 48mg ED......it is proven by many vets.....and you should at least use test prop at 75mg EOD the results would amaze you

[t_dot_porkchop]

^^ 48 is the magic number? there is a guy over at AM dosing 150mg-200mg per day and loving it.

i know prop would be awesome, but i really want to stay away from test (and needles and androgenic sides) for a bit. in the fall, i will hit a nice test/deca cycle.