Spartan's Cutter

[Spartan.]

wk1-12 Tren A 125mg ED
wk1-8 T3 (no ramp up, taper down)
wk1-12 ATD 75mg ED
wk13-17 PCT

I know the idea of not running test with tren is generally considered bad, but in my experience when ATD is added at a moderately high dose libido comes back quick, very quick.

[t_dot_porkchop]

definately cutting edge.....it would be an interesting cycle. do you plan to keep a log?

[Spartan.]

Originally Posted by t_dot_porkchop

definately cutting edge.....it would be an interesting cycle. do you plan to keep a log?

I keep logs of all my cycles, I just normally keep them private. If theres enough interest I'll gladly post how this one goes on here.

[ryanbodybuilder]

personally i wouldnt ever run a cycle like that....there is a reason why test should be the base of every cycle....because its the male hormone! you wont feel like a man on that cycle, and if you only ran 250mg of test enan/wk you wouldnt notice any bloat at all....also i know some NPC guys that dont even use that much tren!!!!!!!!!! you surprise me with all the T3 and Tren you run....diet and cardio should be the key to you lowering bodyfat...not drugs..and why do people always think test will bloat you? its the stupidest idea, especially if you ran test prop with proviron...

[Poobah]

True on the test... but people do run tren only cycles and love them, so to each his own.

I'm curious as to such a high dose of atd.. normally I would think great that will keep your bloat way down and estrogen levels at a minimum, but then your not even running test.. so I suppose the idea is once the tren clears, things will want to start up faster then normal.. But I'm not sure I agree with the logic.. or perhaps I don't understand it.

[ryanbodybuilder]

yeah thats a sh-t load of tren! wow!

[Poobah]

Originally Posted by ryanbodybuilder

yeah thats a sh-t load of tren! wow!

Incidently Ryan.. the few people that I know that have done tren only... and even a tren / eq only cycle. Actually loved the cycles, and didn't even experience a major drop in sex drive while on, hell they may of even felt a boost in libido.... In fact, from things I have read, alot of people don't seem to take much of a knock in that department from tren only at all (then again some do.. so who the hell knows.. lol).... granted post cycle.. like post deca, suppression is pretty heavy.

[Spartan.]

Originally Posted by ryanbodybuilder

personally i wouldnt ever run a cycle like that....there is a reason why test should be the base of every cycle....because its the male hormone! you wont feel like a man on that cycle,

I've run test only cycles and tren only cycles, and I can honestly say that maintaining my masculinity while on a tren only cycle has never been an issue.

and if you only ran 250mg of test enan/wk you wouldnt notice any bloat at all....

I'm not concerned about bloat.

also i know some NPC guys that dont even use that much tren!!!!!!!!!!

I know what works for me. 100mg ED is the minimum I'll run, with 125 maintaining impressive gains and almost no sides.

you surprise me with all the T3 and Tren you run....diet and cardio should be the key to you lowering bodyfat...not drugs..

I didn't say they were..

T3 boosts metabolic rates, and causes greater food efficiency. Lets me use more of what I eat to grow. In addition, it lowers bodyfat considerably and even a novice dose of tren is enough to keep positive nitrogen retention. My diet and cardio are both in check.

and why do people always think test will bloat you? its the stupidest idea, especially if you ran test prop with proviron...

It's not because I think the test will bloat me, I never said that. I do not believe that test needs to be the base for every cycle and there are numerous people that will attest to that. It's just a figment of brotelligence.

I'm curious as to such a high dose of atd.. normally I would think great that will keep your bloat way down and estrogen levels at a minimum, but then your not even running test..

The feedback loop works both ways. Test is driven too low, estrogen production increases. Estrogen is driven too low, test production increases. It's the only thing that makes sense for as to how RXT boosts libido on suppressive cycles.

so I suppose the idea is once the tren clears, things will want to start up faster then normal.. But I'm not sure I agree with the logic.. or perhaps I don't understand it.

Theres no doubt to me that it will cause that. The primary reason for its use however is that after a long enough time on tren (well past maximal blood concentrations, so I'm not sure why) it does eventually become suppressive to libido. RXT counters that quickly (in a matter of hours).

[Poobah]

So are you contending that if you maintain a high dose of ATD, your sex drive will remain intact throughout your cycle? If so that's interesting... Specially in light of the fact that the alot of people actually find their sex drive drops on ATD only cycles...

If your not saying that..are you saying your sex drive will return very quickly post cycle in light of the ultra heavily suppressed estrogen levels.. then I'd suggest wouldn't it just make more sense to start ATD at that dose a week before the completion of your cycle.. to get blood levels and chemistry up to speed in time for regular pct?

[rckpytn]

i tried 100mg of tren ED and it was too much, i felt horrible on it, i was easily winded, had a hard time breathing, it was kinda scary, once i stopped takingit i felt great.

[Spartan.]

Originally Posted by Poobah

So are you contending that if you maintain a high dose of ATD, your sex drive will remain intact throughout your cycle? If so that's interesting... Specially in light of the fact that the alot of people actually find their sex drive drops on ATD only cycles...

If your not saying that..are you saying your sex drive will return very quickly post cycle in light of the ultra heavily suppressed estrogen levels.. then I'd suggest wouldn't it just make more sense to start ATD at that dose a week before the completion of your cycle.. to get blood levels and chemistry up to speed in time for regular pct?

Thats what I'm saying. The longest I've run ATD at this point is 8 week and it did not suppress my libido, I took it along with 100mg ED of tren and it maintained my libido.

[Spartan.]

Originally Posted by rckpytn

i tried 100mg of tren ED and it was too much, i felt horrible on it, i was easily winded, had a hard time breathing, it was kinda scary, once i stopped takingit i felt great.

I've gone as high as 175mg, which was too much for me. 125mg seems to be the best dose for my body.