HGH and Prohormones Question

[Juggla]

Hello,

Not sure this is absolutely the right place to ask, but I hope you guys can help.

I'm 18, overweight and try to gain lean mass I suppose, while dropping some weight. I am working out and dieting, but feel weak for my size and I would like to make the most of the workouts I'm doing and possibly gain some stamina/endurance.

I've been considering HGH Spray, specifically Somatosome HGH Spray. I'm not sure if it's a complete scam or if I'll see results. The product breakdown is this, with each spray containing 380 nanograms of HGH. Is that a decent amount or should I look for more?

Nutritional Facts
Serving Size:  6 Sprays
Servings per Container:  30
 	Amount
Per Serving	% Daily
Value*
HGH (Polypeptide Growth Factor Potentiator)	2,000 nanograms	**
Excell Activator (GHrH) Consisting of Micro Molecualr Polypeptide Complex	1,000 nanograms	**
* Based on a 2,000 calorie diet
** Daily Values not established

Also, I have considered Prohormones, specifically Androstenediol. But that seems more for bulking up and gaining weight, which may not be right for my situation?

I haven't researched the injectable types of steroids because I'm afraid I don't have the balls to inject myself, as well as the knowledge or anyone locally to mentor me in anyway.

Any suggestions or advice would be greatly appreciated.

[Twitch]

no need for all that imo..
get your diet and training in check and results will come..

patience

[Poobah]

To my knowledge, hgh in a spray is a scam...

HGH is highly fragile, for one..

Absorbtion through the skin if it works, would require chemicals that more then likely help to break down the hgh... rendering it useless.

If it did actually absorb with out getting breaking down competely at best it would have perhaps a 30% absorbtion rate.

HGH, is extremely expensive.. and I don't know of any 18 year olds that could afford it.

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As for PH's your 18... so absolutely not a good idea.

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Infact you 18, did you know in 6 months it's possible to loose 50 pounds of fat, and probably put on some muscle.. with nothing but good nutrition and a basic weight lifting and cardio program...

I know.. I lost 100 pounds in 8 months, and built alot of muscle... This was natural by the way.

So I urge you to believe in yourself.. and believe that you can do it.. cause that in all honestly is half the battle.. the rest is just doing it day by day.

peace.

[Juggla]

Alright, this seems fair enough. I had expected to pay $100 a month for HGH. That's still low though, isn't it?

How about any sort of supplement (natural) for energy? That was one draw of HGH for me was the suppposed increase in stamina and energy. I could certainly use a slight energy boost.

Thanks a lot for the advice guys.

[wnxmaximus]

Getting a good multi in your diet will increase your energy. SOmething with alot of B vitamins. Also, you could use caffeine or something. I take one caffeine pill 4 days a week, before my training sessions. I dont drink sweet tea or soft drinks anymore, so I am still consuming less caffeine than most people. Well, those are some options. But getting a good diet and good multi will increase your energy alot!


EDIT: you also might want to try adding green tea (the actual tea or an extract) into your diet, and ginseng as well, i have had positive results with both of those.

[Juggla]

I'll look into those. Currently I take a multi every day and that's it.

[Juggla]

I went out and bought some of that Xenadrine EFX stuff today, so hopefully that'll help with the energy.

[Poobah]

I'm not sure what they are putting in that stuff lately.. but basically it's a glorified caffiene pill. Could have some other ingredients that may have a ephedrine like effect, but I'm not going to do the research to find out.

It will work as a pre-workout stimulant.. but be prepared for the effects to taper off quickly, like almost all stimulants. The real key to energy, is proper nutrition before and after your workout. Werd.

and lets not forget the important of sleep.

[TRAZ]

/\Bump! Just get some good, complex carbs prior to working out...it always does the trick for me. Sometimes you just have to psych yourself up a little too. Grunt a few times and pound on your chest and remember how big you are planning on getting!! That'll pump you up and give you a little kick!!

[Weecrack]

Just remember , Caffeine , Dehydrates you, Increase your water intake, and studies are starting to show that it restricts blood flow to the brain , Just figured id let you know =D

[TRAZ]

Caffeine is no good if you ask me...it ruins my pumps (it is a vasoconstrictor). I also have alot more energy since I quit all caffeine. Caffeine also inhibits Creatine and Calcium absorption.

[Juggla]

Originally Posted by Weecrack

Just remember , Caffeine , Dehydrates you, Increase your water intake, and studies are starting to show that it restricts blood flow to the brain , Just figured id let you know =D

I'm drinking water like crazy lately, so I should be good. As for complex carbs, how about some brown rice beforehand?

[Juggla]

Originally Posted by TRAZ

Caffeine also inhibits Creatine and Calcium absorption.

How much does it affect Creatine absorption?

[TRAZ]

Brown rice is good before working out (I eat it often) just don't eat too much as you will feel bloated while trying to lift. Also, remember to get some protein in there too.....

[Poobah]

Yeep.. I'm not a fan of pre-workout stims either.. when I'm right health wise.. energy isn't a problem... Just eat 60-120 (depending on you of course) about 1-1.5 hours before your workout.

I also advocate a during workout drink... Loaded with BCAA's, some protein and carbs from gatoraid.. but this is a whole other discussion.

[Poobah]

Originally Posted by Juggla

How much does it affect Creatine absorption?

if your worried about that.. Don't sweat taking a bit more creatine. I personally use about 10 grams in my post workout shake vs the standard 5 grams.

Again... drink a fuk of alot of water if your using creatine.. 2 gallons a day as a minimum.. 3-4 is better.

[Juggla]

Originally Posted by Poobah

if your worried about that.. Don't sweat taking a bit more creatine. I personally use about 10 grams in my post workout shake vs the standard 5 grams.

Again... drink a fuk of alot of water if your using creatine.. 2 gallons a day as a minimum.. 3-4 is better.

10 grams once a day? Somebody told me that I could take 5 twice a day, but I don't know about that. 10g after workout seems sufficient.

BTW, did you load it and do you cycle?

[Poobah]

Originally Posted by Juggla

10 grams once a day? Somebody told me that I could take 5 twice a day, but I don't know about that. 10g after workout seems sufficient.

BTW, did you load it and do you cycle?

I love creatine post aas cycles... helps you retain bloat and size and strength coming off aas.

I've loaded before.. but i find it largely unnessecary. I've also used CEE, and found that to take effect within a week.. as opposed to Creatine mono which seems to take 1-2 weeks to kick in.

Last time I cycled it.. I took 5 grams cee pre-workout, and 5 grams mono post workout.

You'll have better up take of creatine with your post workout shake though, I'd almost be inclined to suggest that you'd get more bang for you buck taking 10 grams post workout then you would 5 and 5.... But I'm sure both will work.

I'm a firm believer in creatine, and easily notice it's effects.. I'm good for a few more reps and a few more pounds for sure.

[Poobah]

Originally Posted by Juggla

10 grams once a day? Somebody told me that I could take 5 twice a day, but I don't know about that. 10g after workout seems sufficient.

BTW, did you load it and do you cycle?

I love creatine post aas cycles... helps you retain bloat and size and strength coming off aas.

I've loaded before.. but i find it largely unnessecary. I've also used CEE, and found that to take effect within a week.. as opposed to Creatine mono which seems to take 1-2 weeks to kick in.

Last time I cycled it.. I took 5 grams cee pre-workout, and 5 grams mono post workout.

You'll have better up take of creatine with your post workout shake though, I'd almost be inclined to suggest that you'd get more bang for you buck taking 10 grams post workout then you would 5 and 5.... But I'm sure both will work.

I'm a firm believer in creatine, and easily notice it's effects.. I'm good for a few more reps and a few more pounds for sure.

[TRAZ]

Originally Posted by Juggla

How much does it affect Creatine absorption?

Well...alot...If you take Caffeine within two hours of Creatine (before or after you take Creatine) it can render the Creatine basically useless. This is something I have read all over, but my brother proved it to me. My brother started weight training while he was living in Colombia and started supplementing Creatine. He did great while he was down there, but drank alot of their awesome coffee that they grow (Juan Valdez and all that). He had almost no results from the Creatine.....Not exactly scientific, but it proved what I had read in my mind. I have also heard that you can still drink Caffeine as long as it has been longer than two hours since you took your Creatine or if it is more than 2 hours before you are planning on taking Creatine.