why not just go natural?

[USMC102703]

I honestly have to ask myself how long have you AS users been lifting and eating right?

Gaining muscle naturally isn't as quick I know... but it puzzles me...why would newbies (people that have been lifting for under 10 years) consider using drugs when they barely know there bodies to retain that mass from the cycle...

food and lifting smart and heavy are the keys

[rckpytn]

i wouldnt say under 10 years is a newbie, lol

[Twitch]

well, researched gear for many years before using..
was training and learned proper nutrition way before that..
not something i took lightly..wanted to know exactly what i was doing..
and the research and learning continues to this day..

[Thrash]

Why ask why?
But IMO I think some people use to help speed up the process. Why wait 10 years when you can do it in half? Its in our nature to be imapatient.
Also I have been lifting for six years and and eating right for about 2. I dont consider myself a newbie by any means.

[nattybber]

I am natural but if I had different circumstances (wife was more in favor, job had a little less restrictions, etc. etc.) I wouldn't be but to each their own if thats what they want to do thats fine with me.

[orangeJuice]

Because its simply smarter. Why wait if you can get it done now? I'm not advising a guy who's been lifting a couple weeks to jump on test, but a couple years is plenty before turning to anabolics.

[Troyboy]

Its funner

[Hatebreed]

Originally Posted by Troyboy

Its funner

lmao, so true

[hmmm]

thats a big statment from someone who is 15.

[rckpytn]

Originally Posted by Troyboy

Its funner

it sure is

[RRAdam]

Originally Posted by orangeJuice

Because its simply smarter. Why wait if you can get it done now? I'm not advising a guy who's been lifting a couple weeks to jump on test, but a couple years is plenty before turning to anabolics.

I'd say wait AT LEAST 5 years..... at the VERY LEAST.... There are other circumstances too.... but i waited bout 7 years... (hell i dont even remember anymore) before i did it.

[BB2]

I had been lifting for over 5 years before I came onto AAS, sure I had dabbled with PH, but you will find it is either the kids or idiots who take this decision lightly. shoot I researched and agonised more over this than having kids!!

[hrpiii]

I'd say 5-8 years or even longer is still a newbie ..we know some, but we are always learning more. We/I are always learning how to improve the diet, the exercise, the routine. Your body is always changing, and trying to keep up with it isn't easy. When bulking/cutting/ or just maintaining, the diet is always fluctuating, the routines and exercises may vary. I don't see it as a newbie or expert because I'm learning stuff or researching ideas/supplements/routines all the time.

When I get to the point where there is no more to learn, then I will say I'm not a newbie ..just my view on the subject.

[BB2]

then you will always be a newb, doctors, specialists and trainers are ALWAYS learning something new. we as mere mortals are on an enless journey for knowledge in this respect

[hrpiii]

I can live with that, I've been called a lot worse

[ryanbodybuilder]

why do people drink alchohol? why do people smoke? how about leave people alone and let them make their own decisions?

[Poobah]

Originally Posted by USMC102703

I honestly have to ask myself how long have you AS users been lifting and eating right?

Gaining muscle naturally isn't as quick I know... but it puzzles me...why would newbies (people that have been lifting for under 10 years) consider using drugs when they barely know there bodies to retain that mass from the cycle...

food and lifting smart and heavy are the keys

Everyones opinion is different, and obviously to me 10 years is a very long time... If you have read up on Doggcrap, you may recognize this quote.

Originally Posted by Dante

But if you have been lifting for 4-5 years and people aren't commenting, stating or asking questions about you being a bodybuilder on a daily basis-I think that’s embarrassing and you might want to question if what you are doing training wise has merit to it.

Additionally he claims to have trained 7 people in the last 5 years (at the time the article was written).. each of which gained 47lbs.. here's the stats on 4 of them.

Originally Posted by dante

1)188 to 260(2.5 years)

2)172 to 254 (3 years)

3)208 to 261(clean! genetic mesomorph 1 year)

4)218 to 275 (cut his juice in half, doubled his protein, showed him how to train correctly-2 years)

What I'm trying to say, if you think it takes 10 years of training to get to the point that gear will be of any use to you, I strongly disagree. And personally, I think if you have dedication to training, and the knowledge, and realistic expectations then I don't see anything wrong with it. Granted 90% of users, Especially the SD kiddies do not have any of the above in check. So I certainly understand why these questions get asked, cause your right... alot of these idiots shouldn't be using steroids.

Besides the idiots, whats the real problem here? I'm not competeing.. It's not like I'm cheating you out of anything.. Is it jealousy? Or do you look down on us, for getting results faster then the natty guy? Do you think in the end, we will be pathetic failures?

You made your choice, and I made mine... I see no problem.

[skibumm233]

The only natural bodybuilder would be the one that uses his own body weight to build muscle. If you are using anything else you are stimulating the body "unnaturally"

Like i have said before, if AAS was not illegal most people would never have a second thought about using them.

[orangeJuice]

With the proper diet and workout problem I am 100% convinced that anyone can reach ronnie size. The problems with this is that it would take more dedication than I feel anyone alive has, and considerably longer than the average life span to attain it. Anabolics are all about SPEED. Increasing the rate of growth that is already possible. There is no 'genetic limit', theres only a limitation on knowledge and dedication, which anabolics can overcome.

[hmmm]

i think anyone thats under the age of 18 using steroids is a selfish child. Gains are already fast for teens, it really throws me back as to why they take steroids.