why not just go natural?

[Spartan.]

Originally Posted by hmmm

i think anyone thats under the age of 18 using steroids is a selfish child. Gains are already fast for teens, it really throws me back as to why they take steroids.

Your overestimating hormones during adolescence. They are rather insignificantly elevated above the adult male, i.e. more towards the high end of normal. Your also neglecting the fact that insulin use during adolescence is safer than in adulthood. Your forgetting the virilizing effects of androgens; increased height, increase testicular and penis volume, deepening of the voice.

[NiteHawk]

Originally Posted by orangeJuice

With the proper diet and workout problem I am 100% convinced that anyone can reach ronnie size. The problems with this is that it would take more dedication than I feel anyone alive has, and considerably longer than the average life span to attain it. Anabolics are all about SPEED. Increasing the rate of growth that is already possible. There is no 'genetic limit', theres only a limitation on knowledge and dedication, which anabolics can overcome.

Thats actually not true. Your body does have a limit on how much muscle you can build. My doctor also told me this. But with pharmaceutical help as the pros get, you can break this limit and exceed what is possible naturally. A body cannot get as big as Ronnie without some form of drug help.

[dean]

This thread might shine some light on it...it's (too) long but skim it you will get the idea. Worth thinking about.

http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/fo...ad.php?t=32208

I think it's a healthy thing to think about where our impulses and desires come from, they might not all be natural.

Social explanations aside, in answer to the post, I deviate from nature every once in awhile because whatever that article might say, it is easier to get laid.

[Spartan.]

Originally Posted by NiteHawk

Thats actually not true. Your body does have a limit on how much muscle you can build. My doctor also told me this. But with pharmaceutical help as the pros get, you can break this limit and exceed what is possible naturally. A body cannot get as big as Ronnie without some form of drug help.

You'll find the majority of the doctors you encounter don't know the difference between EPO and the EPA. They are, for the most part, only good for prescribing medication. And even on that they often screw up.

Why isn't it possible? Muscular growth occurs on a inverse exponential path. Even though muscular growth slows over time, it never ends. No matter your state of development, the body is capable of more.

Originally Posted by dean

This thread might shine some light on it...it's (too) long but skim it you will get the idea. Worth thinking about.

http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/fo...ad.php?t=32208

I think it's a healthy thing to think about where our impulses and desires come from, they might not all be natural.

Social explanations aside, in answer to the post, I deviate from nature every once in awhile because whatever that article might say, it is easier to get laid.

It's not about achieving freak status. You'd be hardpressed to find a woman who genuinely finds Ronnie or Jay sexually attractive. It's used as a tool to supplement training. Sure, I could create a 250 calorie deficit in my diet and drop a couple pounds of fat a week along with a pound of muscle, or I could go on a tren cycle, cut my calories to 1k daily, lose more fat and actually gain muscle. I don't understand why there would be any aversion to this. Proper use of AAS does not result in any long-term side effects.

[dean]

Originally Posted by Spartan.

It's used as a tool to supplement training.

We know the effects, the question (if I understood it) was why seek them out. It's a competitive edge.....

[RRAdam]

Originally Posted by dean

We know the effects, the question (if I understood it) was why seek them out. It's a competitive edge.....

It's not always a competitive edge... most guys on here are in no sort of competition where shape/strength is required.

[hmmm]

Originally Posted by Spartan.

Your overestimating hormones during adolescence. They are rather insignificantly elevated above the adult male, i.e. more towards the high end of normal. Your also neglecting the fact that insulin use during adolescence is safer than in adulthood. Your forgetting the virilizing effects of androgens; increased height, increase testicular and penis volume, deepening of the voice.

More over, its about males still growing and developing. A male at 16 years old is still gettting heavier and stronger without doing any sort of weight training. So the fact that a male does weight training at 16 he will get even heavier and stronger. Why distrupt this process with steroids, it puts a young body at unnecessary risk. So im not really seeing your point? Are you not going to condone teens and steroids?

[ryanbodybuilder]

Originally Posted by hmmm

More over, its about males still growing and developing. A male at 16 years old is still gettting heavier and stronger without doing any sort of weight training. So the fact that a male does weight training at 16 he will get even heavier and stronger. Why distrupt this process with steroids, it puts a young body at unnecessary risk. So im not really seeing your point? Are you not going to condone teens and steroids?

no one under 25yrs of age should use steroids or growth hormone, or insulin, or igf1.....your body keeps maturing until 25yrs old and if you use anything before then you can severely interupt that......i dont think wanting to be a pro bber is worth the risk you are putting your body through.....personally i am 28 in 2 months and i will probably run 1-2 cycles a year for the next 15 years, then probably get on HRT

[Spartan.]

Originally Posted by hmmm

More over, its about males still growing and developing. A male at 16 years old is still gettting heavier and stronger without doing any sort of weight training. So the fact that a male does weight training at 16 he will get even heavier and stronger. Why distrupt this process with steroids, it puts a young body at unnecessary risk. So im not really seeing your point? Are you not going to condone teens and steroids?

The same reason others do, to get even heavier and stronger. I'm fairly sure that you'll be hardpressed to find any evidence that states that AAS use during adolescence has any permanent long term side effects.

And before you even say 'growth plates', androgens are used to increase the growth of bone in individuals under tanner stage 5. They increase the growth of the bone, not stop it.

Originally Posted by ryanbodybuilder

no one under 25yrs of age should use steroids or growth hormone, or insulin, or igf1.....your body keeps maturing until 25yrs old and if you use anything before then you can severely interupt that.

Your body keeps maturing its entire life. It doesn't stop at 25 years. Brain cells are constantly changing, neuromuscular controls, etc etc. The body is in a constant state of development. And, as above, I challenge you to present merely one scientific study to the idea that AAS use results in permanent negative side effects.

I've yet to find any.

[dean]

Originally Posted by RRAdam

It's not always a competitive edge... most guys on here are in no sort of competition where shape/strength is required.

I hear what you're saying, but getting laid is a competition where shape is required. That's why they call it sportf*cking.

If most guys are bodybuilding neither for sport nor for sportf*cking, then what the hell is it for? I'm just tryin to be honest here....or am I one just one lone shallow f*ck?

[USMC102703]

just a curiosity that's all.

I have my opinions...and im glad you shared yours... neither opinions is right or wrong it's based on you.

We're all in this lifestyle together;
happy lifting!

[t_dot_porkchop]

^^ so when you starting your cycle? lol

[SICKOFITALL]

Can someone get the shovel back from USMC so we can re-bury this dead post?

[vassille]

Originally Posted by NiteHawk

Thats actually not true. Your body does have a limit on how much muscle you can build. My doctor also told me this. But with pharmaceutical help as the pros get, you can break this limit and exceed what is possible naturally. A body cannot get as big as Ronnie without some form of drug help.

It is true that everybody has a limit Nite! Our bodies does not want to change and if we want to change (get bigger) there are many other things that need to go on to help that process. I believe that this is where many loose their gains because their bodies are not in sync or used to the extra muscle aquired.

[Spartan.]

Originally Posted by vassille

It is true that everybody has a limit Nite! Our bodies does not want to change and if we want to change (get bigger) there are many other things that need to go on to help that process. I believe that this is where many loose their gains because their bodies are not in sync or used to the extra muscle aquired.

Just because its incredibly difficult doesn't mean its impossible.