So you think you are ready for Prohormones and steroids?

[fadi]

If you think you are ready for prohormones, please read the following checklist. I am writing this not because I care, but because I am tired of some of the "I know it all" attitude some brings to the forum.

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UNDER 21 Bashing
For some reason those 14-18 think people grow dumber as they get older and ignore their advice. For them intelligence and reasoning peaks around age 14-18 then degrades. It came to the point that a 15 year old idiot on this forum was shooting SLIN and when a BBer doctor here advised him not to, he told the doctor that he doesn't know what he is talking about!

Some how someone who cannot solve a math equation because it has a letter in it has managed to understand pharmacology and the effects of drugs on humans by reading posts on public forums and argue with a doctor.

Another idiot on this forum keeps coming here and asking questions because his (so far I counted 20) teenage friends been doing cycles and he is here to educate himself about it so he can "help" them. Such a caring piece of "art."

Every time someone gives an advice to a teenager about not starting a cycle we get one of the following responses:

1. Unlike other kids, I am a mature kid. I have done my homework.
2. Oh I am not planning on doing it now. I am planning on waiting 2-4 years before I do one. I am just doing my homework right now.
3. Oh its not me, it is my friend and I am trying to help him. He is an idiot! btw, where can I get Nolva for him? and how long should he be on M1T?
4. You don't know what you are taking about, just because I am 18 that doesn't mean I am stupid!

And the list goes on.

So how do you really know you are ready for a cycle?

1. You acknowledge that do not know **** and start fresh. I don't care how many posts you read or what you call "research" you have done. If you are unwilling to do so, stop reading.
2. You understand that just because you don't feel pain that does not mean you did not **** something up. You can have blood in your urine that you cannot see with the naked eye for example. That blood is an indication that you are ****ing your liver. What is sad is that when you feel the pain, it is usually too late because you ****ed something up. So no pain does not mean nothing wrong with you.
3. Adults understand these risks and they take these risks because they can afford to. Why can they afford to take these risks? because we stinking work and have health insurance!!! The second I feel I ****ed something up, I can pickup the phone and call the doctor or go to the emergency room not hide under my sheets and panic not knowing what to tell my parents. Hell GYNO happens with professional BBers (who obviously do not know as much as you do) but at least they can afford a $4000 surgery to fix it.
4. You suck!

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Notes:
We have couple of under 21 year old kids here who know their **** and they have earned it. The above statement is directed to the smart asses know it all kids.

[bobinater33]

hey man, im 15 and i just read and ask questions becuase im curious. all this is very interesting to me. learning what supps provide the best anti-aromatase, how hormone precursors manipulate the body test producing glands that they have enouph to stop production post cycle, which products have the best/worst conversion rates to testosterone and how many steps away they are from test, what supplements help the body prevent side effects such as high blood pressure, testical reductions (clomid), post test production(6-oxo/nolvadex), Incorrect blood lipid(cholesterol) reducing gyno"pregnant ***** tits" (Nolvadex) decreases libido(tribulus testerris)-not sure if this is effective, and all the other aspects of hormone altering supplements.

Maybe the majority of teens on this site ARE just ignorant enouph to dive into this without knowing they are too young to reap the full benefits. But there are some teens "maybe more than just me" that find it interesting and would rather learn early for when they do have there major test drop.

I always see kids asking questions about PH's on this site and then you got these guys telling them to leave that part of the site and that they are morons for even concidering it. WHAT THE **** ARE YOU THINKING!, there teenagers and obviously you havent realized that when they wanna do something... there gonna do it no matter what you say(yes we are that stupid and ignorant)

So for all you that bash on teens that want to know, all your really doing is making things worse because there gonna go off and do it anyways. So dont bash on the them thinking "wow i really looked like a responcible, intelligent adult there and i did him some good too" because he could be off right now accesing some **** he doesnt know about and could hurt himself real badly.

By this time your all thinking, this ****in kid dont know **** and he thinks he's a smart ass. im sorry for that but i just wish people would give assistence on what to take/what to take for recovery and sides, but before that they could explain what may/ can happen and what they could potentially do to there liver/natural test production/ attributes like acne/aggression/small nuts/ premature hair loss/ yellowing skin/ painful urination/ impitence(no boners)/bloating stomach/ increased body odor/ etc. and if this isnt enouph to stop them then they are so stupid they deserve to encounter both the long/short term effects.

forgive me for being a teen, i meant this post with all do respect towards adults but i was just trying to prove a point.... most likely wont happen because adults dont like to admit that they are wrong to kids but what the hell, i have nuthing better to do.

[hurricanemitch]

I'm glad someone came up with this. Good job Fadi !

[fadi]

First of all, I was not bashing teenagers because I care about them. I personally believe if you are an idiot, then you deserve what you get. Its the parents' responsibility to watch over their idiotic kids not mine. If an idiot going to use steroids and **** himself up, then so be it. Maybe he won't be able to reproduce little idiots of his own and save future generations from putting up with them.

I am bashing teenagers because I don't want to listen to kids like you in this section of the forum. I want to have adult conversations with mature people.

Second, you proved three of my points in 1 post! we usually get kids who qualify for one, but three at the same time? wow! we have a winner!

At 15, you are doing "research" on public forums to learn, but of course you are not planning to use it for another 6 years! that is a damn head start. You are also unlike other kids! you are the special one. The chosen one that god for some unknown reason chose to make you smarter than all the other kids. And last, adults do not understand kids... because kids are smarter than adults... adults are dumb.

[bobinater33]

I have yet to ask a "childish" Q on the PH/steroids forum. id just rather keep my mouth shut and learn whats going on by observation. I just like to read around and learn the do's and donts. its kinda like taking history in school, lots of people debate why its necessary and they say its for conversation and the power of knowing. same thing with this, say someone was in the gym talking to me about all this stuff he takes and then you correct him, he no longer looks at you like the stupid teen and will talk to you as if you are an adult and know what your talking about(in most cases). same with a person talking to you about history or religion,a person comes up talking this and that about religion, you correct them and prove why your right, right then and there you've earned respect.

we should have a thread that goes into detail about underage users. in the sticky portion of the PH forum... once they ask a dumb ass question, paste it to them telling them the necessaries and basics of PH's... or maybe we already have them.

Do i really sound like "that ignorant teen"? i guess i would never really know until someone told me.is my opinion of teaching them and helping them so they dont hurt themselves too bad that foolish?

[fadi]

People in the GYM come to you to talk to you about steroids and prohormones? man I must have been going to weird GYMs because the ones I go to, people mind their own business and they usually ask me for a spot not my opinion about roids.

In any case, thinking you are mature and actually being mature are two different things. But it is pointless to argue that point. Trying to teach a teenager that steroids are bad for them because they are teens is like trying to explain to them that they are not as mature as they think they are. They just argue and argue and won't listen.

Again, it is not our job to protect them. It is their parents job. Giving teens advice is no different than helping them do it. If they are dumb enough to want to do it, then they should do it on their own. There is enough information online to read about it and they do not need our help.
As long as you only read and don't do roids, you'll be fine. But I bet $5 you will be using them sooner than you are willing to admit. People don't read up on this **** just because they like to "educate" themselves. They do because they are interested in doing it. Otherwise, you would be doing your school work which would give you much more knowledge and education.

[bobinater33]

Damn, ever notice that no matter what you learn something everyday? lol

After thinking about it and seeing it in writing, it makes sense that researching could put me in a state of mind that would encourage me to use them before its my time. but it sparked my interest to learn, and im glad i did cuz now i have the knowledge to know what to stock up on for when my time does come. my parents approved me to put all the stuff in the huge gun safe for me to access when im 18, but im gonna leave them in there and hopefully remember about them when its time. And if at that time im not into bodybuilding.. i could sell them for big $$$.... look at 1-AD-its been off the market for only a few months and whats left of it thats floating around is selling for 3 times what it did when it was still manufactured.

Everything that IS legal now, most likely wont be when i take the BIG DIVE, therefor making it difficult or near impossible to access. Now are you gonna call me an idiot for stocking them?

[aLbie]

Nice fadi =) Props to you on that one.

Im a typical high school student: 16, entering junior year of high school, and love to look good... probabely just to impress haha.

While I am tempted to a certain extent to take steroids to get a better body quicker, its retarded when the downside of health failure exceeds more than 70% of the benefits. And on top of that, some of my friends even think that now by "cycling" a rotation of 8 weeks of massive steroid use, theyre some how downing the bad effects... retards. I must admit they look good, or more than good lol but i might laugh when they come to theyre 30's and collapse from organ failure.

This place is awesome, as you can see its only my 4th post but ive already learned plenty from the website and from all these people in it.

[tribal]

I'm too tired to add anything to this (or even read it all), but I'm going to sticky it.

[virus]

lol tribal, for a "blind" action as to make this a sticky, i gotta say to you this:



BRILLANT!

[fadi]

Originally Posted by aLbie

Nice fadi =) Props to you on that one.

Im a typical high school student: 16, entering junior year of high school, and love to look good... probabely just to impress haha.

While I am tempted to a certain extent to take steroids to get a better body quicker, its retarded when the downside of health failure exceeds more than 70% of the benefits. And on top of that, some of my friends even think that now by "cycling" a rotation of 8 weeks of massive steroid use, theyre some how downing the bad effects... retards. I must admit they look good, or more than good lol but i might laugh when they come to theyre 30's and collapse from organ failure.

This place is awesome, as you can see its only my 4th post but ive already learned plenty from the website and from all these people in it.

Good for you. Life is full of shortcuts and believe me, as you grow older your priorities in life change and looks will probably end up last on your list. Nothing comes easy, we pay for it one way or another. Not to mention that these kids friends of yours putting their health at risk to look good now and when they go to college and not be able to go to a GYM, they will lose all their gains and would have took on all that risk for nothing.

[noctorum]

While I agree that it's stupid for teens to use steroids, I don't think this is the best way to handle it. There really *are* mature teens on these boards, and those ones know enough to know that they shouldn't be using any gear. A couple of idiots shouldn't be an indicator of all 14-18 year olds.

[fadi]

Hence the note at the bottom of my original post

[burnuphard]

In my day kids stuck to weed and alcohol. What's become of the world?

[bobinater33]

I'd rather screw myself over doing a roid cycle than drinking....

as for the weed, done my research on that quite a bit... the only TRUE negative effect it has on you is loss of motivation. all the other **** is just government propaganda, and a bunch of biased opinions and studies. the government finds one little thing that "could" be bad, even when its on a small scale and very rare... and they will blow it way out of proportion like your gonna die from weed "just because they have research that side effect could occur". you are retarded if you say that weed kills brain cells or makes you look ugly..... ive heard them all, some asshole on here said that weed makes more estrogen in your body, thats one of the many retarded and untrue comments made about marijuana.

[Hannainnc]

Originally Posted by Linebacker

... ignorant

don't be stupid.

[Poobah]

Good post Fadi...

Fadi is a respectable level headed individual.. He's talking honestly with your interests at heart. He's not trying to offend anyone... and he certainly isn't ignorant. If that's what you see, then you obviously have some growing up to do.

[Linebacker]

Originally Posted by Poobah

Good post Fadi...

Fadi is a respectable level headed individual.. He's talking honestly with your interests at heart. He's not trying to offend anyone... and he certainly isn't ignorant. If that's what you see, then you obviously have some growing up to do.

im not saying i know more than him, but there is such a thing as some adults that think they know it all. an adult that thinks he knows it all is worse than hearing a teen that thinks he knows it all. just because fadi is a moderator on a steroid discussion board doesn't mean he needs to be a dick to everyone thats interested in learning about steroids.

[virus]

fadi isnt a mod, LOL....


As for him being a dick? I dont even know his first name but I can tell u every time I PM'ed him for help, his advice was BEST fitted and easily explained. He never got cocky or told me to blow off at all

I respect him and hes only looking out for you young PUNKS that only is messing their bodies up by doing stuff they have no clue about OR are just dont meet the requirements.


u should listen to him instead of dissing him, grow up man

[Linebacker]

Originally Posted by virus

fadi isnt a mod, LOL....


As for him being a dick? I dont even know his first name but I can tell u every time I PM'ed him for help, his advice was BEST fitted and easily explained. He never got cocky or told me to blow off at all