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03-06-2004, 02:55 PM
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Anabolic Chemistry
This section is strictly for discussing homebrews etc. Please don't post general anabolic discussion in here..homebrew & chemistry only.
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03-06-2004, 05:12 PM
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First Off!!
Okay, so I got someone to listen to my suggestion, hope this will be able to become its own section for everyone out there who can do simple math and like keeping their money.
Let me start by saying that yes, I make all my own gear, and I will help anyone attempting, so feel free hit me on AIM or PM me. Now, Homebrewing is so simple, most people are very shy about it because they dont feel they can. But trust me, anyone can do this, my 8yr old brother can, with the help of a calculator theres just no excuse!  First let me go over some things that you will read later on. --------------------------------------------- Vocab: BA: When someone says BA, they are referring to Benzyl Alchohol BB: Benzyl Benzoate ML: Mil. Liter MG: Mil. Gram (If you dont know what this is stop reading now) CC: The same is 1ml, 1cc=1ml. MCG: Micro Mil. Grams --------------------------------------------- Okay so now you can follow what people post in various brews. Now I will post links as where you can find supplies to begin your experiments as well later on. Now thing you will need, are a decent scale, this place has a good enough one for making brews like test, fina, eq, etc. Nothing like clen or anything doesed in MCG. Its like %25 bucks. Now if you wanna make your own gear, let me assure you, if you find a source for powders, DONT PM ME ASKING FOR MY SOURCE, if your nice I might eventually throw u a bone, You can order your desired powder, they range from about 5-10 a gram, sometimes higher for things like dex and femara, and tren. In the US anyways. You can use the oil of your choice, when people refer to oil, however there is a reason cottonseed oil is used in the medical field, so I use nothing but that. Now for everyone thinking that when they make a brew, "It wont be as strong" "Not good enough results" blah blah. Ill take any gear you can find and put it up against mine, I bet you mine will be the same dosage if not more, usually more. Keep in mind your the one making it, and the possibilities are up to you, you can make it higher or lower per ML. You control it, so if you brew is weak, its your fault or your source. Same applies to fake gear, and Id rather spend 50 bucks on 10weeks of test e and find out its fake then 100+ Okay on to supplies.
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03-06-2004, 05:21 PM
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Supplies, Where to get what you need!
 Okay, so your still interested, good, someone with some sense! Here - Needles, Filters, Syringes, Glassware Etc. Here's - Another place for glassware etc. Neat screw tops too! Over here - Melissa here is very supportive of the homebrewer. Based in florida this a good place to get Cottonseed Oil USP, and BA and BB as well. Downside is there is only certain quantities available. She has glassware too now as well. PEG, every chem you could need for your research. These are the only sites I find I need, let alone my powder source. Now dont think you cannot get 1-test powder and suspend it into oil and inject it, you can do that as well! This place has bulk powders. PN - This site I recommend to everyone, they carry NAC for liver support, which most havnt even heard of. Also sell liquid clenbuterol and Nolvadex and Clomid, all lab test backed from Lion. They sell T-Gel for homebrew transdermals as well, yes you can buy TEST base and put it in T-Gel And when ordering syringe filters, get the PVDF Membrane, .45u pore size, 33 MM filters only. Sterile is preferred of course.
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03-06-2004, 05:41 PM
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Finally, some homebrews!
Im gonna go over a few convertions, that most people will want.
http://absinth.greatnow.com/calcpowder2.html - This is a very nice powder calc that will help all you who are slow at math, or confused. Now remember before attempting a homebrew, you will need to make sure you have the following. A scale, Rubbing alcohol, Syringes,oil of your choice, .45 filter, un-sterile 100ml vial to mix in, sterile vial to filter into, 18gauge needles and 25g, I find work the best. As well as an oven to bake after Now before starting any homebrew rub the area down with Iso Alcohol(rubbing alch) and wash your hands or wear gloves. I will try to get pictures up if Jim will turn this into its own section for me. Making Test Enanthate, 250mg/ml, 20mls. The same can be done with cypionate, exactly but cyp instead of enanthate powder. You will need the following: -5Grams of Testosterone Enanthate/Cyp Powder -1ml of BA (5% BA) -3ml of BB (15% BB) -13ml Cottonseed oil (or whatever u choose) -2 20cc Syringes -.45 Whatman Syringe Filter (or Millipore brand) -2 18g needles, 1 25g needle -1 Unsterile 100ml vial to mix in (or 50ml, whatever) -1 20ml Sterile Pre-sealed Vial to filter into -Scale, rubbing alch, etc. (Im gonna leave these out from now on) Now that you have all your materials, put the unsterile vial onto the scale and zero it out, once thats done, take your powder and weight out 5grams into the vial. I like to melt mine and suck it up with a syringe instead so I know the exact displacement of the powder, but usually its 1gram of powder, when dissolved will = 1ml. So go with the 1g/ml displacement rule. Now that you have your 5grams of powder, go 5.2 to make sure, it will be a bit overdosed, (a tiny bit). Add the 1ml of BA (5%) and 3ml of BB (15%) and the 11ml of oil. SAVE 2ml of oil for later use, during the filtering process. The total volume is now 20mls, swirl it around until it is cloudy. Now there is 2 ways you can do this before filtering. 1. My favorite, is to put a pan on the stove, and stuck the vial, uncapped and unsealed, in the center and let it heat for about 5 mins on high heat until it is clear and totally dissolved into the solution. 2. Boil water, and hold the vial in the hot water until totally dissolved. Be careful as to not get water into the vial. Once you are sure the powder is dissolved, you need to now filter it. Take the 18g needle, and stick it threw to top of the STERILE vial, and take the 25g needle and do the same to the sterile vial. Now attack the FILTER to the 18g NEEDLE. So you should have a sterile 20ml vial with a 18gneedle and syringe filter attached, and a 25g needle in it. Now take your other 18g needle and attack it to one of the 20cc syringes, and suck up the 20mls of gear u just heated. Now remove the 18gneedle from the 20cc syringe and attach that to the filter, and push the gear threw the micron filter. Watch your gear come out into the sterile vial, the 25g needle is left in to left it vent the extra pressure buildup. Once you have pushed all 20mls of your gear threw the filter, take the FIRST 20cc syringe u used to suck up your 13ml of oil, and attach it to the syringe filter, push that extra 2ml oil into the filter. This will ensure that all your gear stuck in the filter still is flushed out. Now take out the 18g needle with the filter, and take your new gear with the 25g needle still in, and bake it at 250 degrees for 45 mins! Let it cool and congrats, you now have 20ml of 250mg/ml Testosterone Enanthate. Its actually about 251mg/ml You know its legit, sterile, and let me assure u, it will be the most painless injection
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03-06-2004, 05:44 PM
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Okay so using that above brew as an example, im going to post more so all you can get your brews going. Now remember,
5% BA is about as high as you want to go, otherwise you will get painful injections, anf 15% BB is to help thin the oil, and help with dissolving issues. DO NOT EXCEED 5%BA or you will regret it, and harm the muscle tissue u inject into. So remember the following. The 1gram = 1ml displacement rule. 5% BA and 15% BB will hold MOST powders, Prop, Cyp, Enan, Tren Ace, EQ, Deca, etc.
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03-06-2004, 05:48 PM
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Before I post more homebrews, I would like to cover oral homebrews.
Winny, Now winny is a very hard powder to keep in solution, you can make it into an oil based injectable, but its a mean one to mess with. Most oral powders like dbol, will hold in either Bacardi 151 or Everclear. If your not 21, u shouldnt be doing this anyways, but you can use PEG to hold these. Also you can cap your winny and use protien shake as a filler. Say u have 1gram of Dbol. 1gram = 1000mg, so if u put 1gram dbol into a 100ml vial, and added 99ml of bacardi 151/everclear, The powder will dissolve and make 100mls of liquid dbol. 1000 divided by 100=10. So 100mls of 10mg/ml dbol! Enough for 4weeks at 30mg ED.
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03-06-2004, 05:56 PM
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Now you can double the yielded amount by doubling everything from the 5gram conversion, or just use the powder calculator i listed if you get stuck.
20ml Test Prop @ 100mg/ml 2grams Test Prop 1ml BA 3ml BB 16ml Oil, Save 2 for the filtering process. Do it just like the test e/cyp conversion 20ml EQ @ 200mg/ml 4grams EQ Powder (EQ is actually Liquid at Room Temp) 1ml BA 3ml BB 14ml Oil, Save 2 for the filtering Do it just like the Test e/cyp conversion. Trenbolone Acetate(fina) @ 100mg/ml 2grams Tren Powder 1ml BA 3ml BB 16ml Oil, Save 2 for the filtering process Now these are just some examples to show everyone how easy homebrewing can be. I can make sust, tren, prop, clen, winny, var, etc etc. Its all simple math once you get the powders. And much much cheaper, I hope this helped some step into the path of homebrewing. If this does turn into its own section I will post guides on making your own transdermals with PH's as well as AS powder, and capping process etc etc. If anyone is interested help get this into its own section! For people that dont have a source, you can order Fina kits and Syno kits which after a bit of work will yeild you Test Prop (from syno) and Tren from fina, and you can have a nice cycle there! Hope this helped some people, there is an abundance of homebrew knowledge everywhere, I encourage you all to read up on it and try it, post your experiences!
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03-06-2004, 05:59 PM
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One more thing, Anti E's are also easily made into oral liquids, or capping if you wish.
Everyone PLEASE DONT MAKE THIS THREAD A MESS, Im trying to get it its own place to help people interested on the subject, So please keep this sticky nice Thanks and feel free to ask me anything on the subject, except for my source.
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03-07-2004, 03:57 AM
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Awesome Fina Spray Directions
Heres a neat little invention I came across, works great and the delivery system makes a whole lot of sense.
This IS NOT my work, just cut and paste from another website: ---- Fina Spray Ok... Here is how to make fina spray.... #1...First you need to get a 240cc Bottle. It is best to get a bottle that has the measurments on it.You will need to find out how many sprays from your bottle it takes to get 10cc out. Fill your 240cc bottle with water.Then take a syringe and pull the plunger out of it.Spray the water into the back of the syringe and count how many sprays it takes to get to 10cc.WRITE DOWN YOUR RESULTS.Empty the bottle and move on to the next step. NOTE: If you dont have a 10cc syringe...Count out 2cc..then multiply this by 5. #2...Then you need 1 cart of finaplix-h #3...You will need 50cc of Isopropyl Myristate. #4...You will need 110cc of 95% Ethanol or 99% Isopropyl Alcohol.I always used the Iso Alcohol. #5...Take the 240cc Bottle and add the 50cc of Isopropyl Myristate and the 110cc of Isopropyl Alcohol. #6...Set this aside. #7...Empty your cart of pellets into a bowl or something...careful not to drop any. #8...Take a straw and fold one end over and staple it shut.You can use a clothes pin but be careful with it. #9...Load the straw with some of the pellets and fold the opened end of the straw down so your pellets dont fall out. #10...Take a hammer and lightly tap on the straw...crushing the pellets as best you can. #11...Unfold the non-stapled end of the straw and dump the crushed pellets into your 240cc bottle. #12...Repete steps 9,10 and 11 until all of your pellets are in the bottle. #13...Place the lid on your bottle and shake it for a few seconds. #14...Let this sit for a couple of hours. #15...After a couple of hours...add 80cc of water to your mix and shake this for a few seconds. #16...Let this mixture sit over night....Then it's ready to use. By the way...You will see the binders from the pellets on the botttom of your bottle.Some people filter this out...some don't..You can run the mix through a coffee filter if you wish. This mixture will give you 8.33 mgs per cc So if you spray on 10cc twice a day.."morning/night" This means you will be spraying a total of 20cc ED.......This will give you 166.60 mgs for the day.. With an absorbtion rate of around 50%..This will give you.... How you know how many sprays per cc? Simple fill your bottle with water....take the pusher part of the syringe out and spray into the syringe intill you get to the 1cc mark. 83.30mgs ED 1 cart should last between 10-12 days. So if you want to run the fina for 6 weeks....You would need to get 4 carts. Now...WHERE DO I SPRAY IT ? Well i can spray this anywhere on myself.....Chest,shoulders,arms,quads and calfs. Some peolpe it tends to burn them a little.So i would advise you to try spraying an area where your not as sensitive at first...Then you can try other areas if it doesn't bother you. I usually take a shower in the morning...Spray on 10cc right afterwards....Then around 6 pm i take another shower and again spray on 10cc more.You will feel a little sticky for a while but you'll get used to it. Now spray and grow !!
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03-07-2004, 07:48 AM
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03-07-2004, 08:00 AM
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Few more brews.
Flavored Nolvadex!!
This is my own brew, someone told me it wasnt staying in solution, however it has been fine for the last 6 weeks for me. If it starts to sperate just re-heat and shake. Needed: -4grams Nolvadex Powder -94mls Peg-400 -2mls Flavor extract, IE Peppermint, Cinnimon, etc. Weight the 4grams of powder into a 100ml vial, I like to use screw top vials for orals. Add the 94mls of PEG to the powder, and shake. Then add your 2mls of flavoring, and shake again. Heat in a pan until fully dissolved. Some filter after this step, but because its oral there is no need, your body will filter out anything the fell into there. You already breathed it in if its floating in the air anyways. This can be done without the flavoring and just use 96mls of PEG. Testosterone 500mg/ml, 40mls!! (Yes Test 500) Recipe to make a almost painless 40ml of 500mg/ml Testosterone product. Tools needed: 1 - 10ml Syringe 1 - 20ml Syringe 2 18ga pins/ 1 25ga pin 1 - .45 Whatman Sterile Syringe Filter 12ml Oil 2ml BA 6ml BB 2 - 50ml Sterile Vials Scale Accurate to .1g 10g Test Enanthate Powder 10g Test Cypionate Powder Rubbing Alcohol and Kleenex/Paper Towels First thing i did was take out my enanthate powder out of the freezer and put it in a glass jar (that i'd cleaned out with alcohol and put in oven to dry out). I put the lid on jar and melted the brick of enanthate till it was complete liquid. I then took out the 10ml syringe and weighed it out on my scale. Then sucked up 10ml of enanthate liquid/powder to see gram to CC ratio. It worked out to be 1.05g per ml of enanthate. The reason i did this is when using the powder calculator (sticky material at top of thread), you have to enter in powder weight and i for one don't trust the accuracy of the calculator unless i measure out myself the powder weight calculation. I squirted 10g of enanthate into the vial : Next, i put a small funnel into the vial and then put it onto the scale and zero'd it out. I then added 10g of cypionate powder. It took up 1ml per gram of powder displacement. Pushed the powder in to the vial using a metal rod, and then added both the BA and BB then added 8 of the 12 total CC's of oil to the vial. I also crimped the vial so when drawiing out liquid to filter the stopper doesn't come off. I've used duct tape before aswell, both work fine. Save the 4CC's of oil till the end of experiment as you will need it to purge the filter to get all remaining hormone out of filter. Boil some water on the stove in a pot. Remove from heat and then shake/drop vial into water to help mix up all ingredients. The heating will also speed up the filtering process. After around 10-15 minutes (or when everything is dissolved and in solution) you are ready to filter. Here it is with 4ml of leftover oil that's gonna be used later. Take out the rubbing alcohol/kleenex and wipe the rubber stopper of the second sterile vial. Peirce both a 25ga and a 18ga needle through stopper, aswell as attach whatman filter to 18ga needle. Using second 18ga needle, suck up 20ml of unfiltered mix and attach to filter. Push plunger down until all 20ml's are done then suck up remaining unfiltered solution and repeat. Run remaining 4ml of oil that's left through the filter. Final result, 40ml of golden 500mg/ml of long estered testosterone. Leave 25ga pin in and heat at 250 F for 45 minutes. (THIS WAS MY BUDDY KC's POST)
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03-07-2004, 02:48 PM
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03-07-2004, 02:49 PM
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This place Also sells conversion kits, and they have great turnaround times and service.
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03-07-2004, 03:55 PM
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Well finakits is widely used from the people I discuss fina conversions with. Most people dont have access to tren ace powder so they buy finaplix and make the powder. same can be done with synovex to get Test Prop powder
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03-08-2004, 04:15 AM
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Topical Yohimbe
How to make yohimburn/lipoderm/topical yohimbine
Here's a recipe that was worked on over at anabolicminds.com. FYI, Chemo the owner of bdcnutrition.com now sells this premade called t-heat, with a very similar recipe. Original instructions were 55% Aloe Gel (100%) 25% water 8% menthol solution 10% PG 2% DMSO Y-hcl 3.5g 1 month supply I couldn't get that to work as i was using 6g of yohim per 240ml, the solution kept screwing up and the yoh wouldn't stay mixed, so here's what i did : Take two identical bottles that you know what the spray volume is or pump volume is. With a accurate syringe, fill one with water till its 240ml. Mark the line on the bottle at that point. Now in these steps, Put : 6g Y-hcl in unmarked bottle Add 20ml of iso/menthol combo Add 5ml of dmso Add 24ml of pg Add 40ml IPM Put the above ingredients in hot water for 15-30 minutes to let yohimbine dissolve. Fill bottle to 240ml line with aloe gel. Shake like crazy and you're done.There is no water in this as i found that to cause all the clumping probs. For the iso/menthol combo, i took 100ml of iso and dumped 66g of menthol in it and heated till crystals were dissolved. All my chemicals were bought at lemelange.com and the powder from 1fast400.com.
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