2nd cycle

[aaron05]

After much counseling an help from people on this board got my 2nd cycle lined out ..
500mg week sust
400mg week eq
50mg a day db for 6 weeks
Gonna run 12 week cycle
OFF Cyc .
HCG , nolv--- Still reading a lot of mixed reviews on nolv an clomid ... do have stuff readily available this cycle , learned lesson last time

On second week so far weighing 217 Got measurements I'll post later ..
Feel great so far had slight headache first three days of first week.. No soreness from workouts now loving that ... Appetite is through the roof .. never thought I could get tired of feeding myself ,,, trying to get around 3500 cal daily ,, def giving ol TYSON some business lol

[mcchunter]

your calories sound a bit low

pretty big 2nd cycle also

and recheck when to use hcg

good luck
mc

[jlozan84]

hcg is for during cycle use to keep nutz from looking like training wheels on a hummer.

[aaron05]

HCG

So we now see, contrary to the dominating opinion of the times, that anti-estrogens alone will do little to raise testosterone levels in the early weeks of the post-cycle window. This leaves us to focus on a very different level of the HPTA in order to hasten recovery: the testes. For this we will need the injectable drug HCG. If you are not familiar with it, HCG, or Human Chorionic Gonadotropin, is a prescription fertility agent that mimics the bodies own natural LH. Although the testes are equally desensitized to this drug as LH (they both work through the same mechanism), we are administering it as a measured drug and are therefore not constrained by the limits of our own LH production. We similarly can use HCG to provide a bolus dose of LH (of our choosing), which works only to augment the recovering LH levels we already have in the body. In essence we are looking to shock them with an overwhelmingly high level of LH activity, coming from both endogenous and exogenous sources. We want it to reach a level far above what our body, even when supported by anti-estrogens, could possibly do on its own. The result can be a rapid restoration of original testicular mass and functioning, which would allow normal levels of testosterone to be output much sooner than without such an ancillary program. What we are looking at now is HCG actually being the pivotal post-cycle drug, while anti-estrogens are relegated to a supportive role at best.

Finalizing the Program

An ideal post-cycle recovery program will focus on two things really. The first is hitting the testes hard with HCG. It is important, however, not to overuse this drug. Taken for too long, or at too high a dosage, the LH receptor will actually become desensitized to LH(2) , which may further exacerbate our post-cycle problem instead of helping it (this is why I am not in favor of regular HCG use on-cycle). My experience with HCG has led me to feel comfortable using it for a course of three weeks, at a dosage of maybe 5000-7500IU weekly. Often the last week I limit the dose to 2,500IU, unless the cycle has been particularly long or potent. This is timed so at least half of the total administered drug dosage will be given when there is still exogenous steroid in the body. On our graph above this would be at about the 3-week mark after the last injection of testosterone. This will give the testes some time to get back into shape before the baseline is actually hit with T levels. Secondly, Anti-estrogens are used to play a supportive role at the same time, so 20mg of Nolvadex or 50-100mg of Clomid would typically be added (my last article for Mind and Muscle discusses the comparative differences with these two agents). This is to combat the suppressive effects of estrogen as testosterone levels start to go back up, as well as potential side effects (HCG has been shown to increase testicular aromatase activity as well (3)). Although in the first couple of weeks the anti-estrogen does little, it may indeed be helpful when testosterone levels actually start to get back up near normal. To further stimulate the HPTA, and support continuingly high LH levels, the anti-estrogen remains to be used for 2 to 3 weeks after the HCG therapy has been stopped. A sample program, as it would be instituted in our sample post-cycle window, is provided below.
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I used the quote thing earlier but don't know how to quote from a sticky but that is from the post cycle therapy stick on the other board ,, Maybe i'm reading that wrong but basically states to start after last injection ??

As far as the calories , prob a lil low I'm eating a ton right now .. approx every 2 hours from the time I get up ... I guess I'm gonna have to invest in some high cal weight gainer ...

[mitchcumstein]

Originally Posted by aaron05

HCG

So we now see, contrary to the dominating opinion of the times, that anti-estrogens alone will do little to raise testosterone levels in the early weeks of the post-cycle window. This leaves us to focus on a very different level of the HPTA in order to hasten recovery: the testes. For this we will need the injectable drug HCG. If you are not familiar with it, HCG, or Human Chorionic Gonadotropin, is a prescription fertility agent that mimics the bodies own natural LH. Although the testes are equally desensitized to this drug as LH (they both work through the same mechanism), we are administering it as a measured drug and are therefore not constrained by the limits of our own LH production. We similarly can use HCG to provide a bolus dose of LH (of our choosing), which works only to augment the recovering LH levels we already have in the body. In essence we are looking to shock them with an overwhelmingly high level of LH activity, coming from both endogenous and exogenous sources. We want it to reach a level far above what our body, even when supported by anti-estrogens, could possibly do on its own. The result can be a rapid restoration of original testicular mass and functioning, which would allow normal levels of testosterone to be output much sooner than without such an ancillary program. What we are looking at now is HCG actually being the pivotal post-cycle drug, while anti-estrogens are relegated to a supportive role at best.

Finalizing the Program

An ideal post-cycle recovery program will focus on two things really. The first is hitting the testes hard with HCG. It is important, however, not to overuse this drug. Taken for too long, or at too high a dosage, the LH receptor will actually become desensitized to LH(2) , which may further exacerbate our post-cycle problem instead of helping it (this is why I am not in favor of regular HCG use on-cycle). My experience with HCG has led me to feel comfortable using it for a course of three weeks, at a dosage of maybe 5000-7500IU weekly. Often the last week I limit the dose to 2,500IU, unless the cycle has been particularly long or potent. This is timed so at least half of the total administered drug dosage will be given when there is still exogenous steroid in the body. On our graph above this would be at about the 3-week mark after the last injection of testosterone. This will give the testes some time to get back into shape before the baseline is actually hit with T levels. Secondly, Anti-estrogens are used to play a supportive role at the same time, so 20mg of Nolvadex or 50-100mg of Clomid would typically be added (my last article for Mind and Muscle discusses the comparative differences with these two agents). This is to combat the suppressive effects of estrogen as testosterone levels start to go back up, as well as potential side effects (HCG has been shown to increase testicular aromatase activity as well (3)). Although in the first couple of weeks the anti-estrogen does little, it may indeed be helpful when testosterone levels actually start to get back up near normal. To further stimulate the HPTA, and support continuingly high LH levels, the anti-estrogen remains to be used for 2 to 3 weeks after the HCG therapy has been stopped. A sample program, as it would be instituted in our sample post-cycle window, is provided below.
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I used the quote thing earlier but don't know how to quote from a sticky but that is from the post cycle therapy stick on the other board ,, Maybe i'm reading that wrong but basically states to start after last injection ??

As far as the calories , prob a lil low I'm eating a ton right now .. approx every 2 hours from the time I get up ... I guess I'm gonna have to invest in some high cal weight gainer ...

Thats an outdated protocol. The best way to use hcg is during cycle, 250iu split up 2 times per week.

[vassille]

For occasional cyclers I tend to agree that 250iu X2 a week is the best option during the cycle.
Another option is to do 1000iu X5 shots every 4 days at the end of the cycle. Either one will be ok

[aaron05]

Looks like I'll up some cals found some weight gainer 1000 call serving .. Glad to know about the HCG info .... I'll post some updates sun...

[jlozan84]

most weight gainers are primarily sugar.......good if you want to gain fat bro.

[vassille]

MHP and RTN that I take have no sugar....they cost more but it's good shiet

[aaron05]

As my luck would have it starting of week three got some kinda respitory thing that's been goin around the gym pissed off . Other than that things been goin great from last week def seeing some of the water from the D up to 222 now all weighings are first in the morning ...

1st week
weight - 216
chest- 42.5
bicep-16.5
waist- 37
quad- 25.5

3rd
weight- 222
chest -43.5
bicep- 16.75
waist 39,,, this is t he one i hate to see grow
quad - 26

I left out week 2 cause there was basically all same measurements ... Starting to feel the strength increase ,made some jumps this past week on legs(NO soreness ) and military press.... Hopefully test should be kickin in soon, an I can kick this cold or whatever to the side an get back to pumpin .... Also avatar is from 2nd week .. I'll try get some more pics .. UP ... comments on what I should put in the journal an so forth appreciated ... Also found some weight gainer low sugar , and added a few more egg whites to te diet push in me a around 4000 cal a day .. Staying thirsty as hell all the time , I feel like a fish i'm drinkin so much .... Peace