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05-17-2007, 08:40 AM
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Roehrigs01 EST Propadrol log
Just posting this now to make sure I have everything set...
June 1st (after my vacation & bb supp detox), I will be starting a stand-alone Propadrol cycle. Here is the plan... 30 days Propadrol then for a PCT (I have 190 6oxo & 120 act on hand): Week 1-3 : 6 6oxo / 4 Act daily Week 4: 3 6oxo / 4 Act daily Week 5-6: 3 6oxo / 3 Act daily Diet: about 2000 cal...high protein, med carbs, low fat, low sugar Exercise: Cardio: mon, weds, friday morning...run 30mins WO: tues, thurs, sun... lift heavy rotating upper body & legs/back/stomach.
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Me: 34, 5-9, 155, 10% - The ECTOMORPH Last edited by roehrigs01; 05-17-2007 at 08:53 AM. 
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05-31-2007, 08:16 PM
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Alright... I'm back from the mainland vacation, all bb supplement detoxed and ready to start up this log...
Friday, June 1st will be my first day of the cycle. Dosage: looks like 7am (with the other usual morning supplements) and 3pm (workout at 4:30pm) or at 9pm (bedtime with the other usual night supplements), if a non-workout day. Thinking also of adding 5g of creatine to my post workout protein shakes also.
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Me: 34, 5-9, 155, 10% - The ECTOMORPH
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06-03-2007, 11:18 AM
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Today is Sunday, June 3rd and 3rd day of the stack.. Started it on June 1st.
Goal: To see what this stuff can do for me... would like to cut bf% a bit and gain lbm. Weight on wake-up: 150.0lbs BF: 10.9% by bf caliper to the same suprailliac spot I always use (marked by freckle). Diet: about 1500-2000 cals daily... med protein, med carbs, low fats, low sugars. Alcohol: 2 beers since last friday. Dosage: 2 daily of EST Propadrol. Other Supplements: see attached Supplement post for full list. Sides experienced this week: new acne spots on back & forehead which is more than usual, libido has increased, testes seem larger. Increased head pressure on Fri & Sat. Workout days this week: Fri(ran 3.4 miles on hills) Changes for next week: Get back on usual lifting and cardio routine. Get back on protein shakes. Notes: Only did some cardio this friday after returning from my trip. Today I will be going to the gym to lift in the late afternoon and will be getting back on schedule from there... Yes, Yes.. I know... this stuff isn't magic and I need to get back on routine to see some results... don't worry...plenty of time left...
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Me: 34, 5-9, 155, 10% - The ECTOMORPH
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06-03-2007, 11:38 AM
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Current Supplements
Current Supplements for this log:
Bodybuilding related: EST Propadrol 2 daily at 7am and 2pm or 30mins before WO. Dymatize Vanilla w/ Skim milk protein shakes. On workout days, 1 shake 7am, 1 1.5hrs before WO and 1 double dose w/ 5mg GNC creatine monohydrate added within 1 hr after WO. On off days, 1 shake at 7am, 1 shake at 9pm. Other (dosage times: 7 am & 9pm): AST Multi-32 (Multi-vitamin) 2 daily. NOW Omega 3 1000mg daily (500mg x2). NOW Red Yeast Rice 1000mg daily (500mg x2). GNC No-flush Niacin 500mg daily (500mg at night). GNC St. Johns Wort 1000mg daily (500mg x2) Nature Made MSM/Glucosamine 1000mg daily (500mg x2) Notes: Purpose of the Omega 3, RYR and the Niacin is for Cholesterol control. I am trying to get my current levels down drastically so I can then find a good maintenance dosage. I had a check in May and will do it again in August to compare results and take action from there. St. Johns Wort is a personal experiment with boosting mood. There have been numerous studies that have shown that St. Johns Wort boosts the mood of people towards the positive. MSM/Glucosamine to lubricate the joints a bit… especially with the jarring of running on hills and the strain on my joints from lifting heavy.
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06-03-2007, 09:05 PM
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Watch out for gyno. Your taking a pro-hormone with progesterone in it and I believe there's a good possability for gyno. If your nips itch or tingle at all, immediately start taking tamoxifen, fark the 6-oxo.
Any strength gains yet? I think you should be feeling much more powerfull by now.
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06-04-2007, 12:05 AM
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No strength gains noticed yet... but tonight was my first day back in the gym since being out for 12 days due to vacation. Should be kicking in this week I would suspect.
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06-08-2007, 09:40 AM
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More sides kicking in...
Quick update to this log however will still be doing the weekly one on Sun morning though…
Sides have increased... -The big acne blotches have gone away, but now have little acne/whitehead spots on shoulders/upper arms/forehead. -Appetite is low... I don’t even feel like eating… and almost have to force myself. -Experience Testicular Atrophy... libido is low as I have no interest in sex, ejaculation amount has lowered & my left teste aches sometimes. For the Testicular Atrophy, I have read a few threads where users on a cycle have used Tribulus or hCG (Human chorionic gonadotropin) to help with this issue. I am starting to take about 3 grams of Tribulus daily to help try to normalize the testes again.. Will see what happens... From what I read and understand, the body slows down production of LH (lutenizing hormone) since it see plenty from the PH already… LH is what tells your body to produce testosterone and Tribulus helps to increase production of LH.
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06-08-2007, 11:11 AM
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Roe, not sure what to do about the atrophy...I think it's pretty common with most of the better PHs. If they are anabolic at all, they will shut you down. That's where a good PCT comes in- the PCT brings things back to normal in that respect. I don't know if you need to be adding something more than trib while on cycle or not.
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06-08-2007, 11:22 AM
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It isn't too bad right now... I do notice it and it isn't normal for my body... so just noting it to the log since I am sure it is enduced by this supplement... If it was too bad, I would just stop or cut back on the ph.... just kinda wanted to see if Trib would solve the ache or just some false claims...
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06-10-2007, 09:53 AM
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Today is Sunday, June 10th and 10th day of the stack.. Started it on June 1st.
Goal: To see what this stuff can do for me... would like to cut bf% a bit and gain lbm. Weight on wake-up: 149.6lbs BF: 11.1% by bf caliper to the same suprailliac spot I always use (marked by freckle). Diet: about 1500-2000 cals daily... high protein, med carbs, low fats, low sugars. Alcohol: 3 beers this week. Dosage: 2 daily of EST Propadrol. Other Supplements: see attached Supplement post for full list. Sides experienced this week: See post on 6-8-07. acne has cleared up a bit, ache still in testes, libido is low, ejaculation amount has lowered to about 1/3 of normal, DOMS from my Thursday WO. Workout days this week: Sun (Legs), Tues (Arms/Stomach), Weds(Ran 2 miles), Thurs(Dropsets on legs/back), Sat (Ran 3miles) Changes for next week: Dropsets for WO. Notes: Truthfully, I'm not really liking the slowdown/shutdown of my nutz. I understand the whole process of why, but i'm just not use to it and seems to throw me off a bit. I have 20 days left on this cycle and continuing on. This week, I will use mostly compounds w/ dropsets during my workout to try and shock the muscles into building more. Rotating legs/lower back/stomach one workout and chest/shoulders/arms/upper back the next. Also make sure I am eating correctly thoughout the day, as in time span, to keep my metabolism up.
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Me: 34, 5-9, 155, 10% - The ECTOMORPH Last edited by roehrigs01; 06-10-2007 at 10:04 AM.
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06-10-2007, 03:48 PM
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Your nutz should not be aching! I'd suggest you stop taking it immediately.
Tribulus will not help you balls on cycle. They will stop producing testosterone period. You cant avoid it! The process of atrophy is not painfull. You would need HCG. You do understand your at the ripe age for testicular cancer right?!?! It could be other factors as well, like testicular torsion or hernia. Or it just might be your body's reaction to this particular substance. Some people do get ball aches from gear. But I dont think its something to simply disregard as normal. I encourage you to stop taking it, rethink your goals, and start focusing harder on achieving them. and as far as your signiture........ "dont leave the gym till your muscles are all used up" is a bad idea that will stall your growth. You and I are about the same age. It wasnt until I learned less = more did I start making gains again. You can kill your muscles for only a short amount of time before you cns shuts down, and your endocrine system goes on hiatus. Provide your muscles with just enough volume to spark protein synthesis. Lift heavy enough weight to fire all your motor units. This will train your CNS, and stimulate increased hormonal activity. Buy not killing your muscles, you give your CNS something to look forward to, and not hide from. If you decide to continue, from the feedback I have read about, I'd think you should be feeling the power in the gym by now. If not yet, then it should be kicking in any day now. If you feel absolutely nothing........ again, I would consider weighing the pros and cons of this particular substance and whether or not to continue. I'm not speaking on behalf of any kind of informed authority here, but rather just an educated-uneducated opinion. Last edited by Traps; 06-10-2007 at 04:30 PM.
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06-10-2007, 05:10 PM
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your right Traps... actually I made the decision to stop is a few hours ago... something just ain't right and I want it checked...
I am stopping this cycle and going to start taking 6-oxo starting today for a few days. The pain/ache in my left testicle has increased and early this week I will be seeing a specialist... I am currently experiencing tenderness/inflamation where the tube connects to the testis. After this issue is resolved and I am back to normal, I will look at continuing this cycle depending on what the issue was...
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06-11-2007, 12:22 AM
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For the record..I am not saying Propadrol is the culprit of this issue... especially since it was only in my left side and not both... what I do know is something is not quite right down there and until it gets settled out, I am going to stop the cycle and get my body back on normal mode... Better to freak out too soon than too late...
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Me: 34, 5-9, 155, 10% - The ECTOMORPH Last edited by roehrigs01; 06-11-2007 at 12:36 AM.
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06-12-2007, 05:36 PM
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saw the doc today.. seems I have a "epididymal cyst"...which is actually common in males... I do have an MRI scheduled for next week to confirm that though... treatment is usually none, antibiotics or surgical removal if needed... After I get the MRI, the doc will decide the best action to take...
As for the prop.. I think I am going to pass on this from here... I feel much better about my body producing test naturally, even if it is boosted by a ph...then my reproduction organs shutting down due to my body converting a synthetic substance to test... So.. for now.. I will just continue on with 6-oxo and might throw in the DS Activate too next week to see how that works for me...
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Me: 34, 5-9, 155, 10% - The ECTOMORPH Last edited by roehrigs01; 06-12-2007 at 10:29 PM.
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06-12-2007, 07:02 PM
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Your balls shrink from all the "test" derivatives in your blood and binding to receptors. It knows you have excess, so it tries to bring the levels back down by stopping natural production. 6-oxo and I think activate are still messing with your endocrine system and your balls.
Do you think the propadrol caused the cyst?
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06-12-2007, 10:24 PM
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I don't think it caused it... but sure didn't help it...
Actually, it seems this is a common issue with men... hell.. I didn't know that... I tell you what though... my balls don't ache like they did when I was on it ... F that... any stuff that causes your balls to ache constantly isn't on my list of approved items...lol.. ache kinda like the next day after a good romp in the bed and still sitting on empty...
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Me: 34, 5-9, 155, 10% - The ECTOMORPH Last edited by roehrigs01; 06-12-2007 at 10:27 PM.
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07-16-2007, 11:20 AM
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ok.. to give this log closure, since I didn't complete it....
After a visit to the docs and an ultrasound of the area, this "lump/cyst" is nothing to be concerned with... it is nothing serious like testicular cancer... just a benign lump called a "spermatocele" that often go away with time, just as it came.. and has actually gotten smaller since mid-june. Actually they are more common then you think in men..but due to the lack of 'self-examination' and that they can come and go in a few weeks/months timeframe, they are often un-noticed.. I think the only reason I noticed was due to the slight atrophy I was experiencing due to the propadrol...
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