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11-11-2005, 09:58 PM
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What have I been missing (Testosterone)?
45 years young now and after other athletic pursuits in then past 20 years am back into lifting serious again 4 days a week. Someone in the know recently told me I should consider testosterone suppliments. I would like to know why. My new measurments showed 2" increase in chest size and 1" in biceps in two months of training. My strength goals have been a bit disappointing but progress has been made and I mostly blame the routine I was following with too many reps per set. I also mountain bike and none of the guys in their 20s who ride with me can keep up with this "old" man on the killer climbs we do. Is it to be assumed that everyone middle aged is lacking of the big "T". And if so, how would one know and what is the big problem it makes. I await your advice.
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11-12-2005, 02:49 PM
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where and what supplements did you buy? I am 41 and have been reading on the benefits of testosterone for men over 40. but my doctor does not think i need them
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11-12-2005, 10:07 PM
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11-13-2005, 03:16 AM
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hey i recently watched a show on the telly about older blokes using prescribed human growth hormones (safe dosages prescribed by doctor) couple of the older blokes said they feel like they're in their 20's 30's ...mind you they were 55+ yrs.
If you ask ur doctor they can do tests of ur hormone levels and can prescribe if necessary.
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11-13-2005, 04:19 AM
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Ageless, can you say more about what sort of test supplementation you've done (assuming it was doctor-prescribed) ? I'm 46 today, and have used prohormones that convert to test, and had good results... now they're illegal. Guys if you haven't seen pictures of Ageless, do a quick search. The guy is 60+ YO and puts most 20-somethings to shame.
I've had physicals where the doc says "whatever you're doing, keep it up", and a big part of me wants to tell her "great, get me some test supplements".
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11-14-2005, 06:27 AM
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Gymnut - my experience with testosterone replacement is sad My uninformed family DR. started me on cypionate 200mg per week I.M. Blood tests showed it was still below the norm, so he moved it up to 400mg per week...After months I was holding lots of water, High blood pressure and was told I had polycythemia (too many red blood cells) Today we know these are all side effects of cypionate and estrogen out of control. All he wanted to do was put me on water pills (hydrochlorot) and told me I was drinking too much water....time for a new DR. Now with a well informed DR I have been working with a three blend of cypionate, enanthate and propionate. Today I have had the best luck with a 4 blend of propionate 30 mg; phenylpropionate 60mg; isocaproate 60 mg; decanoate 100 mg; 250 mg per week. I use anastrozole (arimidex) for excess estrogen control. HGH 2 I.U. per day 5 days a week. All my meds are prescribed by a DR and come from a compound pharmacy. Please....choose your DR carefully, it makes a big difference. I get my blood checked every 2 weeks at the local blood bank for high red blood cells, and pull 500cc if my hematocrit is over 45 (normal range is 36-50) Labcorp blood workup every 6 months. I know this is boring but it is the short version. Hope I have answered most of your questions. Here are a few recent pictures... Last edited by AGELESS; 11-14-2005 at 02:42 PM.
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11-14-2005, 06:33 AM
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Does the insurance pay for it? I didn't think insurance did otherwise, I would be looking for a clinic although they will most likely refuse me for being 33
 I'm interested in the HGH.
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11-14-2005, 04:11 PM
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Back to my question
Ok guys it seems we are all stirred up about Test. Please take me back to room 101 on this. What exactly happens (or doesn't) if we are Test deficient?
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11-14-2005, 04:37 PM
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11-14-2005, 04:41 PM
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Fadi,
My insurance company picks up the cost of my HRT, I just have a small co-pay. I'm not sure about all of them (Insurance companies). I know for years none of my insurers covered my birth control, but my daughter's bc for hormone therapy is covered through our company too. Littlebigman, Low test can cause lots of 'little' problems. - Decreased sex drive (poor libido) - Problem obtaining and maintaining erections - Increased depression - Fatigue (Get tired easily) - Inability to concentrate - Decline in memory and cognitive skills - Decreased muscle mass and strength - Loss of body hair - Smaller, softer testes - Decreased bone mass that may lead to osteoporosis - Abdmonial fat (Pot Belly) - Pectoral (Breast) fat - Psychological symptoms: such as swinging mood, depression, anxiety, lack of vitality and sleep problems. Basically once we hit our thirties our test production goes down. (Men and women!) It took me over two years to figure out that what my HRT was lacking was testosterone! I went to my doctor and she agreed that I may have hit the nail on the head when I told her about my symptoms even while on estrogen replacement therapy. My estrogen level in my HRT is low. We boosted my test and I'm a new woman. 
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11-14-2005, 04:44 PM
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Ageless, great pics! You are such an inspiration.
 I'm having a bad week (high pain) and I was a bit blue tonight...your pics have helped me make up my mind to continue to keep fighting my way back out of this flare. My mantra...I may be a grandma...but I don't have to look like one! Edit: Great article! Thanks for posting that link!
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11-14-2005, 07:20 PM
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 I guess I would care more about the legality issues than the cost. I will look into it some more and see what I can find out. I wonder if I can find an online clinic.
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11-14-2005, 08:16 PM
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On the otherhand its very unlikely that u have low test levels. Unless you want to juice up wait till u shut down... and see what happens.
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11-15-2005, 09:06 AM
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Many Thanx -
to Ageless and Hawkwind for bringing this newbie up to speed on then issues surround Test. Mo powa to ya!
Last edited by littlebigman; 11-16-2005 at 09:28 AM. Reason: Mis-spelled a name, no disrespect intended.
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11-15-2005, 01:11 PM
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Thanks, Ageless. Your info was right on the money, not boring ! I'll be looking at the link you posted. It would be great to find some medical studies that support HRT for men... I think it's a lot more common for women.
Gymnut
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01-08-2006, 10:46 AM
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Your doc can order blood work for test levels. I have seen other threads on this site where they tell you what to have checked (there are several types of testosterone they look for in your blood work). I'm pretty sure if I went in and described symptoms like Hawkwind described, and specifically asked for them to look at test levels, the doc would order it for me.
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02-05-2006, 06:40 PM
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What would all this cost without insurance? I've heard this type of treatment costs hundreds of dollars a month.
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02-06-2006, 01:10 AM
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