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Originally Posted by musclesntx
Great discussion here (although it's hard, I'm trying to watch Ken get to 1 million dollars on Jeopardy-I should be working).
I believe that the amounts of protein that the body can process at one time has been greatly over-exaggerated (greatly due to the word of supplement producers and magazines which are influenced by the former). I am aware that digestion is secondary to muscular in "blood precedence", but having a partially full stomach would still take away from the rest of the body, which explains the sluggish or lethargic feeling that many athletes feel while training too soon after a meal. But since the body puts the digestion/absorption on hold, you're asking for the excess protein to be stored as fat.
Again, I think that we do agree on quite a bit of this (but a few numbers). I don't believe we're as far apart as one would believe by reading this post-hell, we may be counting hairs at this point.
I will be the first to apologize that it did appear that I took some things out of context---I hate when people do that to me, and I could've used your entire ranges, as opposed to framing my argument by using your upper numbers.
I do respect your opinion and credentials, but I'd guess it's just safe to say that we agree to disagree.
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boyd, in contrast to many cyberites i could've carried on with, you've been quite gracious & civil in your approach to debating points, so i almost want to honor your preference to leave this one as was.. but i gotta nail your contention about fat storage. you singled out excess protein, and as you and i both know, it can be any one, or a combination of the macros that can contribute to storage. furthermore, digestion isn't "put on hold" in the event of circulatory demand from working muscle. i could go on for pages about the mechanics of net lipogenesis, and it's not as simple as being the result of endstage digestion occuring during anaerobic threshold & glycolytic training. finally, i listed the range of 15-30 minutes to cover individual variations in digestive/absorptive capacity of liquid meals prior to training. another adjacent topic we could delve into is how digestion & absorption are not mutually exclusive, and in fact occur simulatneously on an inverse axis. picture the sands of time slipping through an hourglass. the top swell can be viewed as the stomach, and the bottom swell as the small intestine. as the bottom fills - now use your imagination - nutrients are crossing the brush border & then being released into systemic circulation. the top can certainly be emptying while the bottom fills (we actually need a 3rd swell here to signify systemic circulation).. as you mentioned, our methods are similar. mine is geared toward insuring that absorption occurs through most of the workout. it seems our point of conflict is over the actual time it takes to digest a liquid meal. this of course, is gonna depend on the size & composition of the meal, and you take a more conservative view. i suggest you re-read my material, because i still feel like you missed a lot of the stuff while watching jeopardy, lol. in either case, this is a cool board from what i can see so far, and i may continue to piss away the sands of time over here on occasion.